Talk:Rauru

Where's the Proof?

Most powerful and wisest being in all of Hyrule? Says who? Rauru never fights or shows any kind of strength, and he doesn't seem very wise to me.

Link or Ganondorf would be the ones who would get the title of most powerful in Hyrule. Wisest would probably be Kaepora Gaebora.

I think this should be changed, or at least be backuped my something proving the statements...

Link or Ganondorf would be the ones who would get the title of most powerful in Hyrule. Wisest would probably be Kaepora Gaebora. Rauru IS Kaepora Gaebora. In video games, rumors like this tend to be true.

He is right. Keapora is Rauru in the physical realm. And he is powerful, he just uses his power wisely, preferring not to fight when unnecessary.

Just speculation and nothing more.IfIHaveTo 02:31, 29 December 2007 (EST)

About the not knowing Link can travel through time... It could be used in a sarcastic manner, to hide his true identity. User:Master Lucario

Okay, I see Ganondorf as most powerful because of the triforce and link because he beat Ganon <insert number of games here> times. But wouldn't wisest be Zelda? Sk8torchic

Rauru (Sage) and Rauru (Town)

In-game quotes of The Adventure of Link show that the town of Rauru is only known as Rauru: not Rauru Town (which is what we have now), or Town of Rauru...it's simply Rauru. Thus, I'm proposing that the Rauru page be a disambiguation page, and Rauru the Sage's page be renamed (or moved) to Rauru (Sage), and Rauru the town to Rauru (Town). That way we'll have the correct name for the town in The Adventure of Link, since from what I've seen thus far, a lot of the towns' names in TAoL have been mislabeled in this Wiki. Dany36 17:30, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

King Rauru Hyrule?

I think he could possibly have been the King of Hyrule, Zelda's Father. The king was unseen for no apparent reason beforehand (Ganondorf kneeling before him) and Rauru wasn't a known citizen either. Rauru has all the features, the kingly robes, the baldness from wearing a crown for too long, the awesome facial hair... I'd say since Zelda had forewarned about Ganondorf, that when everything went down he entered the sacred realm and found Link trapped in stasis. The royal connection with the Triforce would have allowed him to bypass the need to be "Awakened," and he simply knew that he was one... he of course discarded his crown after losing everything to Ganondorf's army.

This is speculation only, because it seems to work but there is absolutely no proof. Any thoughts?Kryptnyt 16:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

This is less like 'speculation only' and more like 'Wild speculation'. Though it is a a clever theory, it has no place in the article. You can place it in your user page. Axiomist (talk) 17:23, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I also think that (given the character in SS). Maybe they have the same ancestors (Gaepora), or they're brothers. I heard that, in middle age, when a family had three sons: one had to be the successor, one had to be a soldier, and the last had to be a priset. Both are related to the sages, and in ALBW, the priest's daughter seems to be Zelda's counterpart among the sages. Jeangabin (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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So, in the Child Timeline, the five other Sages did not become the Sages. However, there's no reason to believe that Rauru was replaced, and he's certainly not new...so is it fair to assume that he is the Sage of Light in TP?KrytenKoro 01:59, 6 January 2012 (EST)

This was confirmed by Hyrule Historia. In page 179, it reveals that the TP Sages were originally going to have more distinctive looks, and Rauru (yes, it actually calls him that) was going to have a greater resemblance to his OoT design, before they settled for giving them all the uniform appearance from the final. Any arguments against adding TP to his appearances? Drillzer (talk) 01:01, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

That's just a concept art, which is obviously not present in the final version of the game. It could probably be added as trivia at least. - Chuck * ^(Talk) 23:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

The point is that HH refers to the Sage as Rauru. That confirms that he's one of the TP Sages (ie: the Sage of Light). Drillzer (talk) 00:12, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

It refers to a concept art not used in the actual game, so that doesn't prove it. For that you'll need a proper source not referencing a pre-release version of the game, like an in-game quote, for example. - Chuck * ^(Talk) 05:01, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

If you want any proof beyond that, all you have to do is play the games. Rauru revealed in OoT that he's one of the Ancient Sages, and TP made it clear that the Sages in it are the Ancient Sages, not some random new Sages, as they're the ones who tried to carry out Ganondorf's execution around the time of OoT just after Link went back to the time of his childhood. As we know from OoT, Rauru and the rest of the Ancient Sages were the current Sages when OoT Link was a child. Drillzer (talk) 05:28, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

There's no real proof that he's one of the sages seen in TP. Even the actual section for TP in HH (p. 113) states: "Details regarding the sages who exist in this era are largely unknown, including their names." - Chuck * ^(Talk) 00:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Of course there is proof. It was established that he was Sage of Light at the time OoT Link was a kid, which was also when Ganondorf's execution attempt by the Sages took place. It was also established that the Sages TP Link and Midna meet in Arbiter's Grounds, were the same Sages who carried it out. What more do you need? To argue that he's someone other than Rauru, you would have to ignore what the games tell you. Drillzer (talk) 00:43, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

TP never establishes that the Sage of Light in that game is Rauru, you're just implying it. The game basically shows that there are multiple sages as they're obviously not the same as in OoT, and even Encyclopedia mentions that each era has their own sages. This is further supported by that HH quote mentioned before which says that the sages in TP are unknown. - Chuck * ^(Talk) 02:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

HH says that the Sages are "largely unknown". Note it said largely, not completely. This is consistent with the games having revealed the identity of only one of them, Rauru, which means that they're still unknown for the most part. I'll also direct you to HH page 113, which says the following: "The Ancient Sages performed the execution of Ganondorf in the Arbiter's Grounds". This confirms that it was the Ancient Sages (which would include Rauru) that carried out the execution attempt. And no, at not point does TP show or imply that there are multiple sets of Sages, at least not within the same timeline. The OoT Sages (Saria, Darunia, etc.) only became Sages in the future portion of OoT, which only happened in the Adult and Downfall Timelines, and was hinted to be a result of Ganondorf having killed the Ancient Sages (other than Rauru). TP takes place in the Child Timeline, where Saria and the others were never shown to become Sages. Drillzer (talk) 03:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

The "largely" part refers to the details about the sages, not to the sages themselves. It even mentions that their names are unknown, so if one of them was supposed to be Rauru, it would have stated just that. And again, implying he is a sage in TP isn't tangible proof. In order to add it to the page, you'll need a quote from the game or the books that explicitly states he is, just like that one in HH that mentions that he is indeed Kaepora Gaebora. And as far as we know, there isn't one. Even Encyclopedia has a whole section dedicated to the sages with a subsection for Rauru, where there isn't a single mention of him being a sage in TP. - Chuck * ^(Talk) 18:16, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't matter, they're still largely unknown as long as we don't know anything about most of them. That line was referring the the Sages as a group, so it didn't need to go in detail about the individual ones. As for there being no tangible proof, so we're just going to dismiss the fact that HH stated it was the Ancient Sages that performed the failed execution? Drillzer (talk) 18:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

The whole point of HH was to clarify all the details not explained in the games themselves, just how it confirmed that Rauru is Kaepora Gaebora, which was implied but not confirmed until then. The only thing close to a source that Rauru is one of the sages in TP is that concept art (with concept art just been ideas that were not implemented in the final version of the game), and the fact that the same book doesn't even make the connection in the actual section of the game just proves that it was just a scrapped idea. - Chuck * ^(Talk) 19:04, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

HH didn't clarify every single detail. In fact, it hinted at number of possible facts while still being ambiguous about their veracity, such as the possibility of the Ocarina of Time being made out of the same material as the Timeshift Stones, or Marin being based on Link's memories of Malon from OoS. Moreover, they probably didn't find it necessary to go into detail about the TP Sages, since Rauru already had a section dedicated to him among the OoT Sages, and nothing was known about the other Ancient Sages. There wasn't any known information they could have added that wasn't redundant, so they just confirmed that the TP Sages were the Ancient Sages and moved on. Drillzer (talk) 19:25, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

How about this: we add a brief section about TP, but rather than saying "Rauru was in this game and he did x", we simply describe the TP Sages' role in said game (similarly to the TP section in the Sages article, but more resumed), and then at the end of the section, we say something along the lines of: "While none of individual Sages' names were mentioned, the group was identified as the Ancient Sages. This makes Rauru the Sage of Light." Would you object to that? Drillzer (talk) 02:45, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I don't want to interrupt this discussion, but I just want to point out that Marin being based on Link's memories of Malon from OoS is impossible since the events of Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages happen after Link's Awakening. MannedTooth (talk) 03:01, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Saying that their names were never mentioned and then saying that one of them is Rauru is a contradiction. In order to add that information to the page you need a source, otherwise it will just get a [Citation Neeeded] (or will be removed entirely), so, which quote(s) from an official source would you add to the citation to confirm that he is indeed Rauru? - Chuck * ^(Talk) 03:35, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

I wouldn't call that a contradiction. A contradiction would be if they called the Sage of Light something other than Rauru, when it was already established that he's the Ancient Sage of Light. None of the individual Sages were a focus in TP, so they only referred to them as a group. As for the official source, I already gave you one -- HH's claim that the TP Sages are the Ancient Sages. Or are you trying to challenge the claim made by OoT, HH and Encyclopedia about Rauru being one of the Ancient Sages? Drillzer (talk) 04:32, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

So this discussion is starting to be overwhelmingly long, I would suggest you to join our Discord Server where we can discuss this actively. MannedTooth (talk) 05:52, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

As said before, we know that there are several sages in the series, and in OoT we can see that new sages can be awoken sharing the same "elements" as the ancient ones, so this basically means that there can be another Sage of Light besides Rauru. And at the end there's more proof that he's not the same, as there's absolutely no mention of his name regarding TP anywhere, in-game or in supplementary material. - Chuck * ^(Talk) 18:21, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Smith or Architect?

One of the Zeldas mentioned that the Master Sword was created by Ancient Sages (I think it was TP Zelda, but I'm not sure.) But SS Zelda says Hylia made the Goddess Sword, which Link later upgrades to the Master Sword. This means A: one or both Zeldas were incorrect, or B: Ancient Sages helped Hylia create it. Most people think Rauru is one of the Ancient Sages, but didn't he build the new Temple of Time during the Era of Chaos, AFTER Skyward Sword? He can't exist both before and after the game, can he? Maybe he got reincarnated? Thoughts?

This is mentioned in the "Discrepancies" section of the Master Sword article; the fact that the sage symbols appear in the Temple of Hylia seems to lead to your point B. So unless he's immortal or incredibly long-lived (which seems unlikely since he doesn't appear in SS), then you might be right. Another possibility is that, despite what Rauru says himself, he isn't one of the actual "ancient sages" and wasn't present at the events preceding SS. It might just be a screw-up on behalf of the developers (it certainly wouldn't be the first time Nintendo has contradicted themselves).

By the way, don't forget to sign your posts by putting four tildes (~~~~) at the end of it. Doing so automatically generates your username and a timestamp. This is important so people can know who made the post and when. — Hylian King ^[*] 18:34, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Oh, okay. So he probably built the Temple, but did NOT help create the Master Sword. Thanks. Nare 12:19, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Why couldn't Rauru exist before and after SS? And why couldn't he be immortal or really old? The fact that they're called the Ancient Sages implies that they're indeed incredibly old, and there are various hints at them being immortal spirits. Also, how does Rauru not appearing in SS make him unlikely to be an Ancient Sage? None of the Sages are shown in said game. Drillzer (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Not The Same Person

There does not seem to be sufficient evidence to say that Rauru from Ocarina of Time and Rauru the First King of Hyrule are the same person.

Rauru from Ocarina of Time was a Hylian sage who lived in what appears to be an entirely different time period long after Hyrule was already established.

The new Rauru from Tears of the Kingdom is an entirely different character with his own separate unconnected backstory. He should be given his own page separate from Ocarina of Time's Rauru and Gaebora unless there is very strong evidence that these are the same person. Fruitymcdoo (talk) 00:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Not all characters who share the same name and page are the same person and it's not the goal of this page to say they are the same. TriforceTony (talk) 00:41, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

As written, the page implies that these are the same person, just like the incarnations of Link and Zelda. Rauru is different because he is not another 'incarnation' of the same character. They are simply two unrelated characters who share a name. Given the historical precedent of royally inspired baby names, it is not surprising that Hylian babies would be named after the first king. Fruitymcdoo (talk) 07:17, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

As a nerdy aside, since the Temple of Time already exists in TotK's past era, that indicates OoT's Rauru (who built the temple) came before TotK's. With that out of the way, even if they don't have separate articles I do think it should be clearer within this article that they're two separate people. It's not a case like the multiple incarnations of Link, it's two completely different characters with the same name. Reign (talk) 10:48, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree, it was obvious to me that the Rauru from Tears of the Kingdom was named after the Rauru from Ocarina of Time, but they aren't the same being. Despite being called the "First King of Hyrule", that technically isn't true at all either. It's just that the timeline of the recent two games is set so far into the future that even the "founding" of Hyrule isn't it's first founding. KnightoftheWind (talk) 03:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

The two Raurus aren't related (unless it truly is reincarnation), so I suggest splitting this into two pages: Rauru (Ocarina of Time) and Rauru (Tears of the Kingdom). HyruleH (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)