Talk:Throne Room

Dungeon name

The chamber in which you fight Yuga-Ganon has a dungeon map which clearly names it "Throne Room". We should not be claiming that it is the same dungeon as Lorule Castle, when it is explicitly treated as a separate mini-dungeon within the game.KrytenKoro (talk) 20:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

not to be rude, but i have to agree with some of the other editors that this seems silly. hyrule castle in alttp had the tower, should we be labeling the tower separately from the castle too? this is part of the same dungeon as lorule castle from what i saw, and it looks kinda silly to be singling one room in the whole castle out. just because each level of the tower in alttp's hyrule castle has a different title appear every time you change floors (l1, l2, l3, l4, etc) does that mean we should be making new pages for every floor of every dungeon every time we see a new title at the top? the idea of this honestly just sounds absurd. i would suggest merging this page with the page for lorule castle and, if it means that much to someone, make a subsection on lorule castle's page specifically for the throne room. but the idea of making separate pages for different parts of different dungeons just because a title appears at the top or because the map changes (the floor map changes every time you change floors in alltp too) just sounds and looks silly. just my two cents. TheLink7 (talk) 17:48, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

You should probably actually play the game, then, instead of engaging in personal attacks. The Throne Room gets a unique Dungeon Map, as I said; it is not included as part of the Lorule Castle map, as every floor of the latter dungeon is.KrytenKoro (talk) 22:33, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Additional: based on discussions on other talk pages, it is true that Lorule Castle (dungeon) and Throne Room (dungeon) are both within the same building (Lorule Castle (location)), much like the various dungeons within the Hyrule Castles, or the whole Temple of Light/Chamber of Sages issue. Do we want to create a Lorule Castle (location) article covering the region of the overworld map, and being subdivided into coverage of the two dungeons?KrytenKoro (talk) 04:00, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

However it is done, I would suggest it be done in the same manner to Hyrule Castle, which in ALttP consists of three(!) separate dungeon areas AND an outside location. At least in ALBW it's only one dungeon, thankfully, and named as Inside Hyrule Castle. It's pretty common for dungeons and areas to have the same names in both games, however.

Also, since I am a pedant, I agree about having this as a separate dungeon, because it technically is. But then I also think Ganon's Tower in OoT is not the same dungeon as Ganon's Castle, so my dungeon pedantry is pretty extreme. User:Fizzle8094/sig 23:06, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't want to sound rude either, but the Throne Room definitely can't be considered a dungeon. A dungeon has rooms to explore, puzzles to solve, items to collect and enemies to defeat. The Throne Room's only purpose is to serve as the stage of the final battle, which is accessed from the final dungeon. If you go by this logic, Demise's arena should be considered part of Hylia's Realm. The fact that the Throne Room has its own dungeon "map" is irrelevant: it is merely where Link faces the final boss, and nothing else. If you really want to separate it from Lorule Castle that much, consider it a separate location, but not a separate dungeon. Plus, the reason why the Throne Room appears with its own dungeon "map" instead of sharing Lorule Castle's was obviously to avoid spoiling the Lorule Castle map before it is accessed. The bridge leading to the Throne Room is crossed as soon as you reach Lorule, while the rest of the castle is only explored way later, at the end of the game.--Totoofze47 (talk) 19:24, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

I haven't played the game, but from what it sounds like arena for the final battle is technically a different location than he rest of the dungeon. The way I see, if there is enough information unique to this page, then by all means it shield exist. Otherwise, merge it with Lorule Castle. Think the final boss fight in Phantom Hourglass, the wreck of the Ghost Ship. Technically, the floatsum is not part of the Ghost Ship dungeon, but there is so little information on it that any page made about it would have next to zero information, and none of it exclusive to that article. Champion of Nayru (talk) 20:26, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Totofze, from your argument, it would make more sense to consider the Throne Room not part of any dungeon, rather than merging it with Lorule Castle (dungeon), although I don't quite agree with your definition of dungeon; for example, the Wind Fish's Egg is considered a dungeon, and at best, it has the maze puzzle. In return, it lacks a map, which ALBW has only for what it considers dungeons and mini-dungeons. Plus, the Lorule Castle dungeon already had everything we could ask for from a dungeon, including bosses, so it wouldn't be lacking anything that a merge could solve.

With the obvious caveat that consensus determines course, not my opinion, I could only really agree with treating it as a non-dungeon part of Lorule Castle (location), or keeping it separate.KrytenKoro (talk) 22:16, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't think the Throne Room has enough exclusive info to stand on its own: seeing how as it's a part of Lorule Castle, everything that can be said about it can also be said about Lorule Castle; but I don't really mind either way, as long as the Throne Room isn't considered a dungeon. I've made edits to the two pages, stating that the Throne Room and Lorule Castle are considered separate locations even though they are technically the same; see if you're OK with them, and if not, revert them to how they were. (And sorry if I seem to force my opinion, this isn't my intention)--Totoofze47 (talk) 22:22, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I can't support claiming that they are "technically" the same dungeon, since the whole crux of the conflict is that, pedantically, they're not. I've reworded it to be slightly more accurate, and placed it in the lead since this is an important point to make. Is this acceptable?KrytenKoro (talk) 01:50, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

My bad, I meant to say they are the same location. Either way, your wording definitely works better, since, as you said, it's an important point to make. Delegating it to the Trivia section like I did doesn't work as well.--Totoofze47 (talk) 09:35, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

it's just another floor of the dungeon. stop attacking me.

Just kidding! Anyway, this article will need a lot of work, but as long as it doesn't just repeat what is said in the Yuga and Hilda articles, it should be okay to keep. A short description of the location and battle between Link and Yuga (or whatever happens; haven't played the game) should suffice. Champion of Nayru (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2013 (UTC)