Talk:Spiketrap

Spiky Roller

It's nice to see that traps are finally getting some love on the wiki! However, I would like to suggest that we move this page to "Spiky Roller", or one of the other English terms mentioned in the article. These terms are from official guides and thus can be considered official. We are an English-language wiki and so if there's an English title we can use, we should. — Hylian King ^[*] 21:27, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

Except different words are used interchangeably across every single guide and even within different paragraphs in single guides (eg: two of those names were from the same guide and used on the like the same page, I think). There is no set name in any of the English guides, it has like fifty, and NONE of them are proper capitalized names, they're just descriptions, unlike every other trap mentioned which usually gets an English name somewhere or other. I'd rather go with an official name than just any old name, even if it is Japanese. If you really prefer, we could go with a translation of the Japanese, but we have to decide on what "toge" means because that has like five different meanings too. Yeah, it's annoying, so I just settled on a name that is accurate. I don't think it's a big deal as it is just one page. Though, if you can find a mention of them in-game or a proper name in any of the guides that would solve the issue like that. I just feel that since it's a specific THING, like the Blade Trap, it needs a specific name. I used the same logic for "Guruguru Bar". Maybe Toge Roller? The "rora" part is definitely roller, at least. User:Fizzle8094/sig 23:22, 5 July 2012 (EDT)

Actually, after sleeping on it I am more in agreement. I already did similar with enemies like Gargantuan Ball (I just used a previous translation of the same word). So by that logic, I'd go with "Spiked Roller", just like Spiked Beetle. However, I am thinking we could do with a tag similar to the one we use for fan-created names to highlight names that are directly translated from the Japanese when an enemy is lacking an official English name, because there are a lot of pages like this. User:Fizzle8094/sig 08:11, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

I believe the text in one instance goes as this: "Climb up, fight three lizardlike enemies, and then deal with a spiky roller and pendulum to get a key in the southwest corner." As arguably unreliable the text from the English book happens to be, its usage of Spiky Roller is pretty much just a literal translation of the Japanese name, that being Togerora.
For this reason, I believe that it should be moved to Spiky Roller as that, given the passage quoted, would be the most canon name (relying upon the fact that it is more or less a canon translation, and this title was used most recently in Twilight Princess). I also believe that we shouldn't need to use the Name template given that they're canon terms.
We use these canon terms in several of our pages already, such as the Cloud Barrier page (something so recent as Skyward Sword) or any common and recurring object, like blocks and switches, so it's not an arbitrary concept to do so without need of a Name template. - Tony^{T S C} 09:48, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

Ah, but as I mentioned, it also says "spiked roller" in the same guide, on the very next page, and although you bolded it there it doesn't do anything to highlight either term like it would other names. Also, the Prima Spirit Tracks guide calls them "rolling spike traps", which is more recent. Personally I'd go with "Spiked Roller", since "toge" has been translated as that in another official name, AND it's used in a recent guide. That sorta gives it double relevance. Also, it's not quite an average object: it's included in the enemy lists in Japanese guides and has a specific name. If they had simply intended to call it a "spike roller" or something it would be スパイクローラー, "Supaikurōrā".

I'd still rather go with "spiked" than "spiky", personally. I'm fine with moving it, but I'm gonna be prickly on that. It's a thorny issue. I don't want it needling at me- *shot*

Oh, and I was also thinking of a new template, not for fan-created names, but to highlight the fact that an article does not have an official English name so we're using a translated one. There's an issue particularly on translation pages where we put down whatever name we have on the wiki as the English name even though sometimes it's simply a translation of the Japanese because we don't know the English name (or it doesn't exist). It was just an idea, probably best to discuss that elsewhere. User:Fizzle8094/sig 15:36, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

Internal name

I've already read the above discussion from a few years ago, and it seems pretty much resolved at this point. But I just found out through datamining Tri Force Heroes that the internal filename for this trap is Needle Roller. I'm not putting it in the article because I have no clue how to source something like that which doesn't exist as publicly readable text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Htwretched (talk) 00:28, February 24, 2018‎ (EDT)

This can be added as trivia. If TCRF has this information, it could be used as a citation. If not, maybe leave it within <!-- --> for future reference. - Chuck * ^(Talk) 06:31, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Okay, will do. I was thinking of a new template like the ones for "fan-created name" and "derived from Japanese text", which I would have then used in the new article for Switch Mole, but you created it first. :P --Htwretched (talk) 23:23, 25 February 2018 (UTC)