Talk:Enemies in The Faces of Evil
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"Bullbo"?
What's the source for these names? Are these all supposed to be official or are some of them names fans came up with? I ask because while most of the enemies in this game are named after the main series (usually The Adventure of Link) enemy they most closely resemble, Bullbos weren't introduced until Twilight Princess, long after this game was released. Is it a fan-created name for an otherwise unnamed monster? --Osteoderm Jacket 19:33, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
- It was a youtube user (where all info from these come from) that called them that. Seeing as they're a pig like enemy in a "Zelda" game I saw no real reason to call them any thing other then that. :P --Heroofstuff 23:36, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
- It's a little deceptive, and makes people think they're the same creature, even though they are not. I think "Boar" or something similar would be better. Do any of the other enemies have fan-made names? — Abdul [T] [C] [S] 02:44, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
- The Dordung and Spearfish both of which were never named in the game, however areas in which both appeared give the idea thats what their names are, and the flaming barrel and gargoyle since no zelda enemy past or present even came close to what they even could have been were named on what they looked like. Also I can get right on switching the name from Bullbo to Boar and whip up a short description of the enemy --Heroofstuff 06:35, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
- So basically, the names of all the enemies in this game (or any other spin-off, for that matter) are conjectural, and we can't really know for sure if we're getting them right or not... Ah well, it's much better than nothing. — Hylian King [*] 14:52, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
- I swear I left a reply here but it vanished somehow... Ah well. Basically I'm gonna go ahead and remove all the enemy connections that are conjectural and not really obvious. Even then there are some issues, so I'm very very tempted to remove all connections aside from the ones that are actively named in the games. The only enemies from previous Zelda games named in cutscenes are Moblins, Goriyas, Dodongos, Gohma, Gleeok and Daira, I think. Aside from Stalfos, Darknut and maybe Armos, they're pretty much the only ones particularly recognizable, too. Some of the original enemies appear to have names given but even then it's sort of guesswork apart from the Arpagos. User:Fizzle8094/sig 21:52, 1 July 2012 (EDT)
- So basically, the names of all the enemies in this game (or any other spin-off, for that matter) are conjectural, and we can't really know for sure if we're getting them right or not... Ah well, it's much better than nothing. — Hylian King [*] 14:52, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
- The Dordung and Spearfish both of which were never named in the game, however areas in which both appeared give the idea thats what their names are, and the flaming barrel and gargoyle since no zelda enemy past or present even came close to what they even could have been were named on what they looked like. Also I can get right on switching the name from Bullbo to Boar and whip up a short description of the enemy --Heroofstuff 06:35, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
- It's a little deceptive, and makes people think they're the same creature, even though they are not. I think "Boar" or something similar would be better. Do any of the other enemies have fan-made names? — Abdul [T] [C] [S] 02:44, 17 March 2012 (EDT)
WAIT!!! There is hope yet
I've found a website that MAY have the names of the enemies from this game. It'll be a while (cause I'm working mostly on ZA) but when I'm through with that I'll see if I can find it. It's a big ol' mess there so even if it's there it'll take a while to find, but if the wiki is patient I'm sure I can find something. --Shadow Reaper 03:33, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
- Can you link to this website? I'm honestly pretty sure most enemies in these games have no sources for any of the names, so we just assume they're based on Zelda enemies when a lot of them are just original creations, and I'm inclined to go with "if we're not sure, lets not assume", because one man's Keese is another man's Ache. Even stuff like Dorgung and Spearfish are assumed names, rather than directly given. Still, if you think you've found something I am very curious! Investigative research is always welcome. User:Fizzle8094/sig 09:14, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
- I saw someone list that they had a guide from all the CD-i Zelda guides so there's still hope but you'll have to do some serious digging to find it. http://www.cdinteractive.co.uk/forum/index.php?sid=110a80d910d8bcf5f3b85a6706aa3061 --Shadow Reaper 17:28, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
- Are you referring to the comment this topic? http://www.cdinteractive.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2085 Because that was from 2008. I wouldn't expect to get much out of that any time soon, because the websites there are basically built around drip feeding information and getting people to buy their emulator, as far as I can tell. However, following what was said there, I did find these... http://www.philipscdi.com/press.htm Dutch magazines. In the 11 1995 issue, I found a game guide section for some of Zelda: Wand of Gamelon, and it seems to mention SOME enemy names, in English no less. One would have to translate the Dutch to work out what enemies it's referring to, however. There may be more stuff like this in other issues. If you have the time, poke through and see what you can find. The only recognizable names that we know are Moblin and Octorok though, so my main point still stands in that most of them are original creatures, but it looks like there really are some original names for the other monsters. Makes me wonder if there are scans of any other CD-i magazines anywhere. User:Fizzle8094/sig 21:19, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
- I saw a few enemy names in there including Octorok, Moblin, Omafak and Arpagos but a name a saw that caught my eye was Deadites. When I went to a Dutch to English translater website it came back as Deadites so that may be somethings name. Possibly even the Ghost. --Shadow Reaper 23:56, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
- I will translate it a bit more fully later, but I believe Deadite is the big mouth bat thing listed as a Serigon at the moment. Another name is Jawbee, those are the ones listed as Dordung. Finally there is also a name for the Fire Wheel, Phyrandaii. I will double check, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is. In later issues there is stuff on Zelda's Adventure and there appear to be a number of names listed there too. I'd recommend downloading each issue and browsing them offline and checking the Tips & Tricks section of each one, as that's where this information is contained.
- Also, I was too quick to change Ghini: turns out the name Ghini is mentioned on the back of the Wand of Gamelon box along with other enemies we know already. It annoys me because they look totally different, but they are Ghinis after all, as there isn't anything else that would really fit.
- I will help out, but if you want to make things easier, if you can basically copy the relevant Dutch text down we can translate it easily. It'd be a bit time consuming but it's the best way to do it. In fact, since you're focused on Zelda's Adventure, I'll start you off by pointing you at a good bit. Check issue 10 1996 (October issue) for a large two-page walk through of some of Zelda's Adventure on page 40. If you can basically copy the text out accurately into your Sandbox, User:Shadow Reaper/Sandbox we can translate it easily. I'll focus on the other two games if you like, but my interest is in Zelda II at the moment so this isn't like a main focus of mine. Though, I was going to ask, where did you get the name "Sardak" from? You should cite your source on the page itself else it'll get changed. User:Fizzle8094/sig 06:49, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
- Well the name Sardaks is from a CD-i forum were the CDinteractive Moderator posted the Philip's staff phone helpline guide on line, but I don't know how to cite a website so if you know how could you tell me and I'll gladly add the reference. --Shadow Reaper 03:05, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
- If you see what I've done on the Jawbee or Deadite page and basically copy that, but use the Template:Cite web. You don't have to include all the details, you can use the basic version listed there. I'd quite like to see that this source myself. The advantage of citing these sources is that this information is hard to find out, and if we put down a citation, it means that it won't get mistaken for a fan name in future. It's a pain to add I know, but it really means that the information you put in is never wasted.
- Also I noticed you transcribed some stuff; it's good so far, it gives evidence for names for Patra, Goriya and such. It will be good for citing sources. But also I recommend transcribing some stuff from the December issue too. I looked there myself and there appear to be a lot of names, such as Condor, Dragonfly, and so on. You don't have to copy it all down, just the parts that include what look like enemy names. User:Fizzle8094/sig 07:19, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
- Okay thanks Fizzle and I'm not done yet with the translating thats only one page of 5 (of the 2 page spread in 10 ,96 issue) once I get done with them I'll check out the December issue. On a side note the condor isn't an enemy it's the transportion to the 3rd shrine. I at least know that. :)--Shadow Reaper 07:41, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
- Well the name Sardaks is from a CD-i forum were the CDinteractive Moderator posted the Philip's staff phone helpline guide on line, but I don't know how to cite a website so if you know how could you tell me and I'll gladly add the reference. --Shadow Reaper 03:05, 4 July 2012 (EDT)
- I saw a few enemy names in there including Octorok, Moblin, Omafak and Arpagos but a name a saw that caught my eye was Deadites. When I went to a Dutch to English translater website it came back as Deadites so that may be somethings name. Possibly even the Ghost. --Shadow Reaper 23:56, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
- Are you referring to the comment this topic? http://www.cdinteractive.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2085 Because that was from 2008. I wouldn't expect to get much out of that any time soon, because the websites there are basically built around drip feeding information and getting people to buy their emulator, as far as I can tell. However, following what was said there, I did find these... http://www.philipscdi.com/press.htm Dutch magazines. In the 11 1995 issue, I found a game guide section for some of Zelda: Wand of Gamelon, and it seems to mention SOME enemy names, in English no less. One would have to translate the Dutch to work out what enemies it's referring to, however. There may be more stuff like this in other issues. If you have the time, poke through and see what you can find. The only recognizable names that we know are Moblin and Octorok though, so my main point still stands in that most of them are original creatures, but it looks like there really are some original names for the other monsters. Makes me wonder if there are scans of any other CD-i magazines anywhere. User:Fizzle8094/sig 21:19, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
- I saw someone list that they had a guide from all the CD-i Zelda guides so there's still hope but you'll have to do some serious digging to find it. http://www.cdinteractive.co.uk/forum/index.php?sid=110a80d910d8bcf5f3b85a6706aa3061 --Shadow Reaper 17:28, 2 July 2012 (EDT)