Talk:Demise's Sword

Merging

I don't think we should merge the two for now. We have Fi and the Goddess Sword as separate articles, and I think we should do the same for Ghirahim and this sword.--Dany36 17:58, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Problem is, this sword has no official name, for one, and it is formed directly from Ghirahim, for two. Plus, they have no separate existence, unlike Fi and the Master Sword.KrytenKoro 18:06, 5 January 2012 (EST)

I'm going to agree that this is fine as it is for now. The sword is a weapon, while Ghirahim is the spirit it inhabits (or, taken literally from the game cutscene, the sword was drawn out of Ghirahim's body). They may be connected, but they are separate things. However, I am not sold on the "Anti-Master Sword" name. Wasn't the Master/Goddess Sword created in order to counteract this sword? So if anything, the Master Sword would be the anti-____ Sword. Perhaps we should just rename this article to "Demise's Sword" for now? EzloSpirit 18:44, 7 January 2012 (EST)

Yeah, the name is kinda funky. :P Demise's Sword sounds good, though, so I support moving it to that if it doesn't get merged back in to Ghirahim's article. Dany36 00:39, 8 January 2012 (EST)

Personally, I think we should distribute the information between both the Ghirahim and Demise pages. It is not a large page, and both characters are concerned. Also, should it not be "Demise's Sword" or something of the like? Noble Wrot 13:23, 13 January 2012 (EST)

Hyrule Historia simply calls it "Demise's sword", so that would indeed be the best name to go with. --Dorsal Axe 16:05, 14 January 2012 (EST)

Calling it "Demise's Sword" seems much more accurate and professional because that's simply what it is if it doesn't have an official name. Calling it to the "anti-Master Sword" comes across as a little too fan-made, unofficial and unprofessional. How many people will honestly type that into the search bar? I would suspect people would more likely search for "Demise's sword." It seems to fall into the same situation as the sword used by the Sages in Twilight Princess, in that we don't call it the "PrettyGlowing White Execution Sword", merely Sword of the Sages because that is exactly what it is. The same should apply to Demise's sword. I personally don't feel it clearly being designed as the Master Sword's dark parallel means it should be named so, but that's just me. Her Grace 07:49, 22 January 2012 (EST)

Moved to "Demise's Sword". Next item on the list: Merge with Ghirahim? — Abdullah ^{[T] [C] [S]}  08:21, 22 January 2012 (EST)

The debate about whether or not it should be merged with Ghirahim seems a little less clear. I guess it's because I don't think it was ever clarified whether Ghirahim is the sword itself, or just a sword spirit like Fi. It seems more to be the case that he is the sword, just that the sword can change into that form and has a mind of its own. He does say he is a weapon, to which he briefly transforms into the sword. I personally think that, if more evidence says he outright is the sword itself and not just its spirit, then the articles should be merged. Her Grace 13:35, 25 January 2012 (EST)

The problem with merging it with Ghirahim is similar to the debate on its name. People looking for the sword wouldn't think to look at Ghirahim's article; they would look specifically for "Demise's Sword." Also, though this is more of an inference than given factual information, Ghirahim is likely not the sword. It is the same case as Fi. Ghirahim merely served as a bearer (a sheath, if you will) for the sword. He was ideal for this because he was a part of the sword. He was drawn into it after it was extracted in a manner much like Fi is. Though this part is speculation, it is even possible that he can provide Demise with information just as Fi can, which allowed Demise a bit of insight on Link's fighting style in order to help him against the young hero.

I can understand the general idea for merging the articles, but I believe that, for these reasons, it is not entirely practical. Disagree with me if you want; that is your view, just as this is mine. Kyro-Dizzy

We could merge it with Demise instead. The Phantom Ganon article has a section on his sword... — Hylian King ^[*] 20:19, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

That seems a far better proposal than merging it with Ghirahim. I have seen Phantom Ganon's article, and it sets a fair precedent. I'd say go for it, but it would probably be better to make sure that there's enough support for it before making it official. Kyro-Dizzy 22:42, 12 August 2012 (EDT)

Ghirahim specifically calls himself a weapon, though. He's clearly identifying himself as the sword, and the game clearly sets him up as a mirror of Fi. It wouldn't make sense to merge him with Demise, any more than it would make sense to merge the Master Sword with Link.KrytenKoro (talk) 00:18, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I want to keep these separate. If we ARE going to merge this article with something, it'd be with Ghirahim. --I'm just a plain ol' Goron...Darth Nightmaricus (talk) 02:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

I think, as a maker of this article, that there should be no merging. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bbobb25 (talk) 15:03, May 14, 2015‎

"People looking for the sword wouldn't think to look at Ghirahim's article; they would look specifically for "Demise's Sword."

We don't generally make articles for weapons that can't be used by Link, and Demise and his sword do not appear chronologically until after it is clear the sword is one of Ghirahim's alternate forms. In fact, the sword doesn't really have any plot presence beyond being Ghirahim, so I think it's really, really unlikely that anyone would even expect this article to exist, much less be looking for this article specifically and not think to look for Ghirahim if they can't find it (which a redirect would solve in any case...). As demonstrated by the current article, there's nothing to say about why the sword is important beyond "it used to look humanoid, and people called it Ghirahim". The rest of the article we have now is the standard fluff about appearance and special attack abilities. If the page isn't merged with Ghirahim (or less preferably, Demise), I'd say there's a strong argument for deleting it outright -- for those opposed, read the article while omitting the bit that's just a copy-past of Ghirahim's own plot section, and tell me what info of value this page is trying to communicate.

Also, according to the edit history, the page was created by Onyx, not Bbobb25.KrytenKoro (talk) 23:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Category Question

Um...the only reason I didn't just get rid of it is because I tend to miss/forget things that happen around me, but why is "Super Smash Bros." listed as one of this article's categories? Did I miss something again? Or is this an error? EzloSpirit 18:48, 7 January 2012 (EST)

Yeah...that's funky. I think when the person created this article, they copied/pasted the code from another page that was categorized under SSBM and Quest Items, most likely the Master Sword. I removed those categories. Thanks for the heads up! Dany36 00:39, 8 January 2012 (EST)

Lorule Triforce

I think the fact that Lorule has an upside down Triforce as a logo, no counterpart to the Master Sword and a villain who bears a remarkable resemblance to Ghirahim deserves a mention. The full theory can be found here.Dekler (talk) 09:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, who's the "villain" you refer to? --Iggy Koopa Jr (talk) 17:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Yuga, of course, the effeminate pale-skinned blue-diamond-earring-wearing narcissist. Of course, none of that really matters, though the fact that the upside down Triforce resembles the Lorule Triforce is worth mentioning here, as it is on Demise's page.Dekler (talk) 08:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)