Talk:Dark Beast Ganon

Translation Discrepancy

I'm fairly sure this is well known, but the wiki (and Zelda which is the source of the information) say Dark Beast was born when "Ganon gave up on reincarnation and assumed his pure, enraged form" which is actually a mistranslation: in Japanese (the original language) Zelda says that "Dark Beast is the result of Ganon's obsessive refusal to give up on reincarnation" or something like that. Kirby737 (talk) 07:41, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, we are aware of this. Here, we go off of the English canon and currently that is the latest canon information about Dark Beast Ganon, so the Japanese canon would not come into play here. However, we can make a note of it in Trivia. — 𝐌𝐚𝐠𝐢𝐜𝐌𝐚𝐬𝐨𝐧𝟏𝟎𝟎𝟎 ^{(𝐭𝐚𝐥𝐤)} 20:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I think I tried to address this when I wrote the article but this isn't actually a discrepancy. A lot of fans interpret it that way because it was phrased in a weirdly, but this has to do with his cocoon. The first indication is that Ganon is still very clearly trying to manifest in Hyrule, so he's not done with trying to come back. The second is that after he is defeated, Zelda says that he is gone, but only for now.

Even in the English text you can piece together that she doesn't mean he plans to never come back, so what Zelda is referring to is his plan to reincarnate as Calamity Ganon, which he has been attempting for a century. Zelda held him back from doing so for 100 years and Ganon has no choice but to use the imperfect body to fight Link when he enters the Sanctum. Link destroys this body and waiting another century to return via another cocoon isn't an option, so Ganon's best hope to continue to destroy Hyrule is to amass his remaining Malice to form a new and less ideal body. He no longer has the option to execute his century-long attempt to reincarnate as that physical form, and this is what Zelda is referring to when she says he has given up on reincarnation. TriforceTony (talk) 22:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

First, forgive me for not replying until now, nearly three months since I made my edit. I had only just seen your response, and weren't aware you had given one.

While I understand your perspective, it's only an interpretation of the line, and only has suggestive proof to back it up rather than any hard evidence. Compare this to the other interpretation, which is supported by every other localization for the game which like the Japanese version all say he refuses to give up on revival, not that he has given up on it (the sole exception being the French localization, which instead says his failure to regain a carnal form has driven him mad). If this were about the cocoon and recreating a proper physical body, they likely wouldn't have used the word "reincarnation" in the English localization but rather "regeneration", "resurrection", or even "creating a new form" more akin to the French localization. "He has given up on reincarnation" is pretty explicit in its meaning.

All I would like is for this discrepancy to included under the trivia section, and Magicmason said it could and was fine with it. It's even still mentioned under the trivia section for Ganon's page right now. Marlotix (talk) 00:53, 3 April 2023 (UTC)