Talk:Majora's Mask (Object)

What evidence is there for the suggested symbolism of the mask's four spikes? Its certainly not included in the manga chapter that sourced the rest of the "mask-origin" info... -PIE

... and based on that staggering responce, I'm removing the content for now. It can be restored if the eivdence is cited.-PIE

So um. If you get the F.D masks you no-longer have the other masks? - Dead without a corpse; Garo Ninja

Only for the remainder of the cycle. After you return to the 'Dawn of the First Day' you will recover the lost masks (and retain the FD mask). You won't even really notice; wearing the FD for the first time vs Majora, you won't even think about other masks.-PIE

• Yeah, i just beat it today so i guess i found out anyway. Thanks. - Dead without a corpse; Garo Ninja

In the reference, it says the Happy Mask Salesman went to great lengths to obtain Majora's Mask. I'm guessing this is refering to him crossing from one parallel universe to another. User: Link of Vey

Worth Mentioning?

Is it worth mentioning that it's possible the Ancient Tribe that worshipped Majora's Mask could possibly be the ikanians? I mean there's a statue of it as soon as you walk in the Stone Tower Temple! -The Keeper of Majora's Mask

It may be worth having a passing mention of the possibilities of who this ancient tribe may be, within the theory section. It doesn't need a large theory saying that the Ancient Tribe is the Ikanians, because that isn't proved in any way. So be careful about how you go about it. Make sure you have a read of the Theory Standards.User:Melchizedek/sig 22:18, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

majora's mask's spikes

i think they represent the 4 areas of termina (yellow-canyon, red-mountain, green-swamp, blue-great bay) as seen at the gates in clock town Template:Nosig

That's plausible. --The Keeper of Majora's Mask 20:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Not Possesed!?!

When i saw the article that says that Skull Kid did not take on Majora's mind or personality, but was rather possessed, they(Nintendo) are suggesting that Skull Kid was not possessed at all, because technically, if Skull Kid's Personality or Mental State was not altered, he wouldn't have been possessed! And they also said that Skull Kind used the power of the mask to curse and Prank those around him, are they suggesting that Destroying Terminia was some kind of prank? Was Skull Kid trying to prank everyone in Terminia at the same time?-Jedi 11:38, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Well. The mask was influencing him. Skull Kid thought it was just a prank, but the mask was manipulating him.User:Matt/sig 13:35, November 5, 2008 (UTC)

Scared Unconscious

In the Theories section, it says that the Happy Mask Salesman was "scared unconscious," but I thought it was clear in the game that the Skull Kid attacked him, which resulted in him becoming unconscious. -Naokohiro 14:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hence the section being marked as a theory. Because not everyone will agree to it.User:Matt/sig 16:53, November 13, 2008 (UTC)

I thought maybe it was a typo, because I can't really see someone being scared unconscious. Have you ever tried to scare someone so badly that they literally fainted? Sure it can happen, but the Happy Mask Salesman was very protective of his masks. Unless he has some sort of sleep disorder, where loud noises make him drowsy... Naokohiro 05:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I've tried. With no success.User:Matt/sig 05:42, November 17, 2008 (UTC)

He said himself he was attacked. I don't think that a cute little Skull Kid could scare The Happy Mask Salesman unconsious. I mean, he found MAJORA'S MASK. He would have been able to handle it. --The Keeper of Majora's Mask 20:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Matt, I kind of doubt the original theory actually involved the Happy Mask Salesman being scared unconscious. In fact, I doubt anyone actually believes that. It should either be removed from that theory for having nothing to do with it, or just taken out completely or changed to something more appropriate. Jimbo Jambo 20:33, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Add a New Theory?

I have compiled a theory myself on Majora's origins, and I think that it has more validity than the ones mentioned in the page. I was wondering if I should post mine, if it was good enough. It's on my user page, please take a look. The Keeper of Majora's Mask 04:58, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I think for the most part, these are theories that are common around Zelda forums and less of a compilation of everyone's theory. But I normally suggest placing a new theory in your talk page to show it around, build up support for it, and develop it further.User:Axiomist/sig 07:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I see...

Thanks, I'm very new to this. The Keeper of Majora's Mask 19:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

a pedantic legged-being

What does this phrase (a pedantic legged-being) mean? It seems to have been in the article since June '05 and survived dozens of edits intact, but I can't make any sense out of it. Rootbeer277 21:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Dictionary says "hi" User:Austin/sig 21:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the dictionary and I are old friends, thank you. However, the specific trouble that I'm having is not one of simple definition, which is easily remedied by such measures, but rather one of context, which the world's greatest programming minds are still struggling to implement in a way that can be resolved by way of a Google search. You see what we have here is a "phrase", which is a semantic grouping of words intended to collectively convey a meaning, and while each individual word is perfectly valid and sensible, the combination herein does not appear to be comprehensible. Part of the problem is lack of appropriate punctuation, leaving the duties of the individual modifiers ambiguous, but even considering both possible cases (i.e. pedantic-legged being vs. pedantic, legged being), I am still unable to conceive of how either a pair of legs or a sentient, dancing, fire-breathing mask demonstrates such characteristics as inappropriate concern with minute details or formalisms. Rootbeer277 13:11, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Sources

I noticed that this article was disqualified as a featured article mainly for not having enough sources to back up the information. I don't quite understand why people mentioned that the page lacks references, where in fact, it has all that can be added under the Role in the game and Fierce Deity and the Moon dungeons section. Or are they referring to adding sources under the Origins of Majora's Mask? I'm quite confused. Dany36 02:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not disqualified yet. But it lacks the proper amount of sources for a page that size. Half the page has no sources. A good deal of the page can never have sources. But that's not the only reason it was put up for it. It is also a rather poor article with too much theory and strategy. Without it though the page is extremely tiny. And it really can't be expanded upon at all. There just isn't that much to write about the mask.User:Matt/sig 05:19, June 12, 2009 (UTC)

Name

The name of this article seems redundant, especially considering that the article seems to be covering the demon Majora rather than the mask itself. Should it just be moved to Majora? Ganondorfdude11 04:14, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

There definitely needs to be separate pages for the mask and boss, as one has a lot of backstory, while the other i s a boss all in itself, and there's enough information there for the both of them. So I surely think some splitting here can be made.User:Steven/sig 02:17, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Well...whatever you guys think is best, I'm all for it. If it needs help with references, I'm always willing to help out. :) Dany36 02:45, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Split

This is a warrant for splitting this article into two separate articles amongst Majora's Mask (Object) and Majora's Mask (Boss). It isn't a simple split as much of the information on here is cluttered one of the reasons for splitting this. This article is currently featured, and under these current conditions, there's no reason why it should be.User:Steven/sig 04:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm for it. And could those annoying infoboxes please go away? No reason to have three of them in one page! Dany36 05:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

As a (more than) legitimate boss, I'm suprised Majora's Mask (Boss) wasn't a page already. Go for it. It would greatly focus the article topic as well.User:Cipriano 119/sig 05:08, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Now everything is messed up and I have to fix all the redirects and links and create the boss page. User:Ganondox/sig 04:11, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

You won't have to do much, especially since the boss page was already created and the redirects were already fixed, for the most part.User:Cipriano 119/sig 05:24, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Majora's Incarnation=Thursday in Japanese?

In the Majora's Incarnation section, it says that it's called もくようび in Japanese, which is nothing more than Thursday, at least as far as I can find, and it's all it means as far as I know (I've taken Japanese for several years now). So, I'm wondering where that information was pulled from, since there's no tag? Or maybe someone whose more fluent than me can prove me wrong. Zoidwhiteshadow 18:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Eyes

Will people please stop deleting my post in the trivia section about Majora's Mask's eyes resembling Bellum and Malladus'! It says on Bellum's page that his eyes resemble Majora's Mask's, and Malladus' also clearly resemble them as well, so WHY CAN'T I LIST IT!!! HyruleBiologist

First of all, it's not a trivia, it's a theory, and ZW really isn't the place to dump theories ;). Secondly, no where does it say on this page that " his eyes resemble Majora's Mask". Feel free to add such theories to your userpageUser:Mandi/sig 01:20, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Demon Lord?

I have a theory on who Majora really is. I believe him to be the original evil, the source of darkness, the Demon Lord. The mask was merely a vessel that held a portion of his evil power that he sent to the World of Light to cuase mayhem and destruction to the people of Hyrule (I do not believe the mask came from Termina at all), being unable to do it himself, as he was imprisoned within the Dark Realm by the gods. I also believe him to be the one who created Bellum and Malladus, and that he influenced certain events in Ganondorf's life so that he would become evil, and carry out his will (unbeknownst to Ganondorf of course). I theorize that Majora feeds off of all the darkness, hate, and despair there is in the world (which would explain all of his actions in Termina), and he sends monsters and corrupts people to spread it, so he grow more powerful and free himself from his prison. I believe that he is the cause of all that is evil in the Zelda Universe, and that if there is a final game, that he will be the main antagonist of that game (again, not as he was inside the mask, but his TRUE form, whose power is on equal terms with the Fierce Diety). Again this is a theory, and currently, there isn't that much to support it. Its still a pretty cool theory though, right?HyruleBiologist 07:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually that would be more along the lines of speculation, a theory tends to have you know, actual facts. The only thing Majora's Mask has ever been said to be is an evil Mask that was used by a dark tribe. Also apperantly the gender assigned to Majora is female, I have no idea why. PureLocke 21:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Majora being a female is purely fan speculation. There really isn't any real proof supporting the idea that Majora is female (and don't use the "a" at the end of its name as proof, because there are other male characters in the series that have an "a" at the end of their name). HyruleBiologist 14:20, 16 December 2010 (EST)

Template:OT —Embyr 75  ^--Talk-- 14:28, 16 December 2010 (EST)

Skyward Sword Trailer

Have hyou noticed at the beginning, when the different 3D Zelda games are being shown, when Majora's Mask appears, you can hear the Skull Kid's laugh, yet it can't be seen. Do you think it's the mask who laughs? Snakeboss14 12:33, 3 August 2010 (EDT)

I think the montage of video game mascots in the beginning of the trailer was not made to incite theoretical questioning, but just to line up the console titles in order leading into the trailer for Skyward Sword. Regardless of who is laughing, all the mascots have a visual accompanied with a sound. Since the actual Mask makes little sound in game, perhaps they used the most recognizable sound from Majora's Mask to accompany it's mascot. I wouldn't look too much into it. User:Cipriano 119/sig 12:40, 3 August 2010 (EDT)

Merge

I think the original split was rather rushed without much real thought into it. Now we have two sloppy pages that really ruined the fact that it's a featured article, no longer living up to it. I think we need to remerge these two Majora's Mask articles together. The things we'd have to do then are to take away any unnecessary speculation that is in this article; move the page to the Majora's Mask page, to remove any confusion we had about what to put in the parentheses; and move the original Majora's Mask disambiguation page to one with Disambiguation in parentheses. Then we'll have a decent article.User:Matt/sig 17:46, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, so, is this going to get done or what? The merge template has been up there for a while. Dany36 15:17, 3 December 2010 (EST)

I don't agree; I'd like to see the pages separated - like many articles on this wiki, there should be a boss page and an object page, even if the two are the same. A similar argument exists for the people/place merge, especially in cases where the two are literally the same, or have the same information on the page, yet are only separated into two articles because of the fact that they are a person and place. These pages could be worked on to bring them up, refs added, and they'll be fine. While it may seem to make more sense to merge, the rest of the wiki is consistent with the enemy/boss dichotomy. In the same vein, I'd also like to see the Twinrova article split up in the same fashion. But of course, if there is a majority that wants to merge, then I shall be defeated. :) But we need to wait on the wiki for that to happen, first! User:Cipriano 119/sig 15:26, 3 December 2010 (EST)

I have to agree with matt the articles should be merged mostly because no other boss has a split page like this even ganon. It would make the article a lot more informative and not so confusing. Link hero of the winds 11:39, 23 February 2011 (EST)

Oh, lord, why were there ever two articles to begin with? I cannot remember a really good reason. I do know it is a shame that the majority of this article is mostly theory and non-canon. Perhaps merging it would provide a more fleshed-out article. Noble Wrot 13:45, 2 September 2011 (EDT)

I approve of this. We should also add a section about that man-eating dragon named Majora from the extra chapter of the manga. The mask was named after it, and the spirit that is in the mask is of Majora. I still don't get why there are two pages for a single thing. Even through the story is "non-canon", it makes sense. --Zelda Fan 123 13:34, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

Hyrulian History?

Since The Happy Mask Salesmen was the one to find the mask and he is (chronologically) oringinally from Hyrule then shouldnt it be noted that there is a good chance that Majora's Mask was found in Hyrule meaning it isnt apart of Termina at all? After all no where do the citizens of Termina acknowledge that they know of the Mask or its origins. There seems to be more proof that the mask comes from Hyrule than it does Termina. Also its quite possible that the Skull Kid stole the mask from the Happy Mask Salesman while he was in Hyrule and he just chased him into Termina. Any thoughts?Namelink 02:20, 11 May 2011 (EDT)

Granny mentions the mask in one of her bed-time stories, and there is Terminian legend surrounding the mask. I's more likely that the Mask Shop Salesman brought it with him into Hyrule, where he was attacked by Skull Kid. This IS the same Skull Kid you teach Saria's Song too, and he personally was friends with the Giants. Something tells me that going between Termina and Hyrule isn't all that hard. I'd like to see it come into play in a Twilight Princess sequel. --KingStarscream 14:22, 26 October 2011 (EDT)

Correction

In the strategy section when fighting Majora's Mask it says that when Majora's Mask charges at you with its spinning spike attack that this attack can not be blocked, but I found that if you use a spin attack at the right time you can block, deflect and stun Majora's Mask.Namelink 14:51, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

Interesting, in the same vein as a Dead Man's Volley? It wouldn't surprise me if this was true; this battle technique seems to be a recurring strategy in the Zelda series. Is there some sort of proof, i.e. a video of this somewhere? If you don't have one, we can look for something on the net. — cipriano^talk 17:48, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

Majora, twili, and Vaati?

I see all these talk about Majora's eye's and the sheikeh, but...

- The twilii fused shadow and Majora's Mask, and various of Vaati's forms share the same eye pattern. In additon, Vaati's headpeice looks almost identical to the fused shadow.

- Majora's and Vaati's final form both are "X's wraith".

- The twili and Majora, and vaati at times show a psychotic side.

- Vaati and Majora share a gold and purple color scheme.

I think that if the 1 link majora has with the shekieh is mentioned, then so should this. There are a lot more links.

Jabberwock xeno 20:45, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Separate entity

This needs to be rewritten to focus on any possible evidence for it being a separate entity. As it is, it's simply one line of theory, followed by a summary of what is explicitly said in the game.

Also, you guys might want to start "/Theory" subpages for the talk page to corral this stuff, since it's taking over most of the talk pages. Either that, or start a "Theory:" space where the stuff can be discussed with more vigor. Or maybe you guys already have those, and I just need to look harder.KrytenKoro 11:25, 5 December 2011 (EST)

No, we do not. That's definitely an idea worth considering, though. If you're interested in actually bringing this to the wiki, I would suggest mentioning it here and see what people think. — Hylian King ^[*]

Separate Entity

Majora (ムジュラ, Mujura) was an evil being plaguing Termina in ancient times. Though the game doesn't give much specific history on the origins of Majora's Mask, it does state that in ancient times, the mask was used by an ancient tribe who used it in rituals involving the casting of hexes and curses, until they finally sealed it away from the world in the hopes that its evil power would never be unleashed again.

Hundreds of years later, it was sought out and found by the Happy Mask Salesman. Soon afterwards, the Skull Kid scared the salesman unconscious and stole the mask from him and began to access its power, awakening the consciousness of the mask.

The Skull Kid, wearing Majora's Mask, still doesn't take on Majora's mind or personality; he is simply possessed by the Mask. At the end of the game, inside the Moon, Majora manifests out of the mask into Majora's Mask, then Majora's Incarnation, an insane being that dances around the boss chamber. After the Incarnation is defeated, Majora's transformation is completed, and the Incarnation becomes Majora's Wrath. Majora is eventually defeated, and the being itself disintegrates. The mask is left behind, cleansed of the evil inhabiting it.

Ganondorf connection?

What is up with this?

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This is an unused design for Ganondorf from Twilight Princess. There is what unquestionably appears to be an effigy of Majora's Mask adorning his armor. What in the world were they planning with that?! Perhaps it's because Ganondorf was trapped in the Twilight Realm. Everyone has already noted the resemblance between Majora's Mask and the Fused Shadow, and there are theories naming the Interlopers as the creators of the Mask. Perhaps the Majora entity is native to the Twilight Realm. Perhaps Majora was once even the dark god of the Twilight Realm until it was sealed in the Mask by the newly banished Interlopers using the same magical techniques used to create the Fused Shadow, hence the resemblance. Perhaps Ganondorf was worshiping Majora, or attempting to resurrect him/it. There are a lot of questions raised by this design choice. What do you think? This is, I think, an excellent potential addition to the Theories section of the Majora page.

-ElricGodslayer Blood and souls for my lord Arioch! 21:31, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, so you'll want to wait for a few of their opinions before a decision is made, but I think, if it's mentioned at all, it would belong under Trivia. Remember, this was only concept art that never made it into the final game, and so would basically be non-canon unless stated otherwise by Nintendo. Any conclusions drawn from it would therefore be purely speculative and wouldn't support or be supported by in-game elements. Setras 21:44, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Which is why I would classify it as a theory. It is just idle speculation, as with so many things in the Theory sections. But it is an interesting idea. I was honestly surprised when I saw this, as it implies some intended (but obviously abandoned or unused) connection to Majora.

-ElricGodslayer Blood and souls for my lord Arioch! 21:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

It is interesting, but again, the images are the only real support for it, and they're non-canon. Even theories need to have a healthy amount of canon material supporting them, which this unfortunately lacks. (Trust me on this- the overwhelming majority of my contributions to the site have been theories, so I've had this explained inside-out to me before myself. (: ) But, like I said before, I'm not an admin, so you'll probably want to wait and see what they have to say on the subject. Setras 22:10, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Of course. I was merely attempting to stir up a discussion on what Nintendo may have been thinking when they designed this. I am aware it is non-canon, and my speculations are based entirely on the idea that Majora's Mask has a connection to the Twili. I really just want to know what other fans think of this image, being semi-official as it is.

-ElricGodslayer Blood and souls for my lord Arioch! 22:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm totally down with stirring up some discussion on this image, I think it's great! But unfortunately, this talk page isn't the place for it. Definitely share it on the theorizing forums on our affiliate sites, I'm sure the feedback would be interesting! For now, until the subject gets some community feedback, a bullet point in the trivia section would suffice. So, hate to slam this on you, but...

Template:OT —Embyr 75  ^--Talk-- 00:01, 12 July 2013 (UTC)