Talk:Hyrule
Skyward Sword
Lots of info from Skyward Sword needs to be added as that game is basically an origin story for Hyrule. I have unfortunately only completed half of the game as my Wii is broken and I won't get it fixed for another 2 weeks. Anyone who has completed the game want to fill in the relevant sections with SS info? Ganondorfdude11 17:20, 8 December 2011 (EST)
New Hyrule
I'm gonna ask this even thought it has been asked before see "Spirit Tracks" it needs to happen, New Hyrule needs to have its own page its a different entity(land), with a different culture, inhabitants, story, religion, and history. Great Sea has its own article, but its essentialy Hyrule's mountains peaks and in a pool of water. The main aurguement is Hyrule, is Hyrule. Note, the King's words at the end of The Wind Waker "Ah, but child... That land will not be Hyrule. It will be YOUR land!". The name New Hyrule is either the people making Spirit Tracks forgot what the king said, or it was a tribute to Hyrule like New England was a tribute to England. So I plead to you, please make New Hyrule its own page/article. XXSuperXXNintendoXx 18:51, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- I would agree with you that the land in Spirit Tracks is different land. However, at no point in the game is this land ever actually named, "Hyrule" or otherwise. "New Hyrule" is a fanon title. It is most likely called "Hyrule" based on certain quotes in the game, but there's no conclusive evidence. For that reason—since we have nothing else to name it—in my opinion, our best option is to just leave it here. Perhaps dedicate a section specifically to it, but not an entire page. I guess you can say I favor a reorganization of part of the article over splitting it. — Hylian King [*] 19:37, 30 December 2011 (EST)
- I agree that the Hyrule featured in Spirit Tracks should be given a separate article for the soul reason that it is a different land alone. It has its own mythology, history and races. It would be contradictory to say it is in with the article for the ancient Kingdom of Hyrule, as at no point within the series has it ever been stated the Faron, Eldin and Lanayru of Skyward Sword are not the same ones as from Twilight Princess. They are each given separate articles with no confirmation that they are separate characters. Then why do the two different Hyrules share the same article when it is a known fact that they are different kingdoms? If we are to go into the discussion of fan-made names such as "New Hyrule," I argue that several articles on this wiki have fan-made titles: War of the Bound Chest, Hyrulen Civil War and Hyrulean in general and the Great Flood are all fan-made names. The word "Hyrulean" to apply to people living within Hyrule is a popular fan idea from a while back and the word "Hyrulean" doesn't even exist in the Japanese version at all. In regards to giving two different lands called Hyrule the same page when they are different, all three characters named Fado should share the same page by that logic. I pointed this out before, but if we are going by things sharing names sharing articles, what is going on with Faron, Eldin and Lanayru? There are a lot of things that aren't quite right. I personally think a page named "New Hyrule" should be made to distinguish the two kingdoms from one another and not to confuse newer fans of the series who may visit here for information. The beginning of the article could begin as follows: "New Hyrule is the fanon name given to the reestablished Kingdom of Hyrule featured in Spirit Tracks." Her Grace 18:21, 9 January 2012 (EST)
- I disagree that the ST Hyrule should be given its own page. If it were called something other than Hyrule, then fine, we split it off. But at no point in the game is it ever said what the name of the new land is. Point is, Hyrule is Hyrule. There are different Links all throughout the series, but we don't give them different articles to each (yet :P). So for now, I say no. Dany36 18:39, 9 January 2012 (EST)
- Then why, as I asked before, would the two versions of Faron, Eldin and Lanyaru have separate pages? They have the same names and may very well be the same beings in different forms. If they have separate pages despite there being no confirmation on whether they're the same things or different things with the same name, then the same should apply to two Hyrules. The very point is, having New Hyrule tied into the article of Old Hyrule is ridiculous because, regardless of their names, they are not the same place. Having them together is giving false information by suggesting they're one and the same to people who are not as knowledgeable about the series series defeating the Wiki's purpose by giving false or unclear information. Anyone with lesser knowledge of this series who comes across the Hyrule article is being told that there is only one Hyrule. I also bring up another set of characters sharing the same name: Fado. They all have different pages because they're different people, so this logic should also apply to the two different Hyrules. Her Grace 20:22, 9 January 2012 (EST)
- You have a good point, that Old Hyrule and "New Hyrule" are different places, as are the characters that represent the different provinces of Hyrule in different games, though with the same name. However, with characters, it is far easier to split articles if the shared name is the only connection tying the beings together. This is the case with Lanayru, Faron, and Eldin - while they share a name with characters from other titles in the series, their roles and plot significance in each game is wildly different - their similarities are so few and far between that lumping them in the same page would give the impression that all beings named Faron are connected somehow - and we don't know that, given in-game evidence or any other canonical reference source. This wiki does not operate on theory posits - in the absence of a connection, we'd rather split the articles than take an unfounded leap of faith. With Old Hyrule and "New Hyrule", they share many similar characteristics, enough to warrant a combined page! There is a Royal Family, Princess Zelda reigns over the land, Link is a chosen hero once again, there are forest, fire, water, sand, ice dungeons similar to Hyrule, there is an established Castle Town, the list goes on. Thus, it is far easier to lump all the Hyrules together so that the combined information can complement and enrich the descriptions of the Hyrules from individual games, and highlight the reasons that each new Hyrule falls in line with previous Hyrules. And anyone that reads the first paragraph of the Hyrule article will see that though Hyrule is a blanket term for the realm of the Goddesses and the Royal Family, we do see it in different forms and incarnations throughout the series. Hope that clears things up! :) — ciprianotalk 11:02, 10 January 2012 (EST)