User talk:K2L3798@legacy41960118/WikiExclusive Project
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Heads up
Hey K2L! The piece looks great so far (though I merely skimmed it)... I just wanted to let you know that since you are creating this on the wiki, there is a risk to go along with that: others can edit your work. This was once a problem with Noble Wrot who also chose to create a WikiExclusive on the wiki. What happened was that others began editing his page and he had a hard time not seeing these editors as "co-authors", as they brought up legitimate points he had not thought of himself. He decided not to submit it to the staff for review, and it became the Gameplay Elements of The Legend of Zelda Series article as we know it today. This may be an issue, but for him, he decided to work with it. We'd protect the article to prevent this risk, but if we did, you wouldn't even be able to edit the article, so that's not really an option. Either way, good luck, and I hope to see it in the staff boards soon! :) — ciprianotalk 01:13, 28 February 2011 (EST)
- Well, since I created this page, no one actually edited it, might have to do with that it belongs to a namespace from my account (instead of a main article, as in the case of the Gameplay page), which advices that it's a personal sandbox page =). Because I'm using a new computer that lacks the Office/Word programs I use to write stuff, I have been unable to store the info on it, hence why I stored the content here instead. Sorry for taking too long for this project (I had told you about my interest on writing a WE two months ago), it has become much longer than expected (44 KB), hopefully size restriction won't be a big issue. The last thing it needs is the Phantom Hourglass section, a Conclusion and images, so it should be ready for review in 1 or 2 days.
- By the way, Cip, I was considering creating a (main) page listing the Internet sites (IGN, GameSpot, etc.) and their Zelda-related articles (special reports, dossiers, retrospectives, etc.), and perhaps adding tables or templates listing their respective review scores to each Zelda game. I may start creating a sandbox prototype after finishing the WE project, but I would like to consult the idea to you and the staff, since my enthusiasm to create new articles waned to zero after the controversy I brought with the latest two articles I had started, and I don't wish to see another cynical comment from Zenox if the same thing happened with this article as well. For the same reason, I didn't dare to launch the Romani and Cremia sidequest page (it doesn't help that the suggestion for its creation went into oblivion since long ago). --User:K2L/sig 04:17, 28 February 2011 (EST)
- For one, your Boomerang article wasn't a "mess", as Matt said it was. He tends to exaggerate (then again we all do, considering editors tend to make wiki problems much bigger than they actually are to a typical reader). And the Romani and Cremia page was a good idea, considering we had already done the same with another article, but then again, after reading the talk page for that one, it seems no one understood what you were actually trying to do... As for as the table thing goes, that would be cool, especially with the scores idea. We'd have to find a way to make it unique to Zelda Wiki, though, as I'm sure you know Wikipedia has their own variant of a critic scores listing. I'm for it, especially since it'll add a new template, new cross-page standard, and yada yada. I know what you're thinking... a step towards a "Manual of Style"? NO WAY! We'll see - the more I edit and visit the "nook and cranny" articles on here, the more inclined I am to think as you do, with that Manual of Style idea. That's a conversation for another time. Anyway, back on topic. As for the other part, the Zelda article listing including GameSpot, IGN, yada yada - if you're down to do it, that's fine with me, but that's going to be a continual project. Zelda articles are amongst the most written and popular articles on many Nintendo-leaning sites, so you many have to delve deep into archives and even once-popular dead sites, as well as keep up with the present releases to get them all. It all sounds fine to me, I'll see if I can harass Dany or Mandi in here to leave their ideas. — ciprianotalk 12:13, 28 February 2011 (EST)
- I hope you don't think I'm acting too insistently in regards of the improvement suggestions or article proposals, because impatience and ambition are two things that costed the life to certain user accounts here, and that's the last thing I want to happen to me or anyone else. Even time itself needs time to make things evolve smoothly, everything comes in the right moment, sooner or later. I know the page on the press media articles on Zelda will be continual, but so are pages that record the appearances of an enemy through the games (good ol' pal Octorok, for example), or the pages that record the improvement of staples like Dungeons and Sidequests. I originally though to create separate articles for each journalist press medium so that their Zelda articles could be covered without the concern of a single page's size; admittedly, that's even more ambitious to do. As for the Romani and Cremia new page.... yeah, the confusion was unfortunate, and something tells me that, was it not because of the (currentloy unfinished) discussions about the Twinrova and Majora's Mask pages, people would have read more carefully what I was actually suggesting, instead of thinking that it was about yet another character split. Anyway, the prototype page is still in my sandbox, but it needs images that aren't uploaded yet. At this moment, I'll finish once and for all the WikiExclusive so that it can be submitted for review.
- Through my mind, too many ideas are hovering in regards of the wiki's improvement, and I'm realizing that I'm reaching the limits of my editing skills, my user rights and the current standards of the site. --User:K2L/sig 16:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
- About those ideas… if you have Skype, we could talk there, amongst other wiki patrollers and admins, to see what we can do about them! Many, if not all, of the new innovations to ZW were initially discussed on Skype because it's more productive and efficient than carrying conversations on the wiki! Of course, we always bring the discussion to the wiki in some form in the end, so that the general userbase knows what's going on. Let me know. — ciprianotalk 16:05, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
- Yeah, if you have Skype, or want to download it, you can check out our page on it and ask one of the active users there if you'd like to join the chats.User:Mandi/sig 20:19, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
- Right now, I have the account already. What's the next step? --User:K2L/sig 16:29, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
- Oh cool! Now all ya gotta do is add someone so they can get you in the chats and all that stuff, you can add me, I'll be online fr a bit and my skype name is Mandi151993. Look forward to seeing you around!User:Mandi/sig 21:01, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
- Right now, I have the account already. What's the next step? --User:K2L/sig 16:29, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
- Yeah, if you have Skype, or want to download it, you can check out our page on it and ask one of the active users there if you'd like to join the chats.User:Mandi/sig 20:19, March 19, 2011 (UTC)
- About those ideas… if you have Skype, we could talk there, amongst other wiki patrollers and admins, to see what we can do about them! Many, if not all, of the new innovations to ZW were initially discussed on Skype because it's more productive and efficient than carrying conversations on the wiki! Of course, we always bring the discussion to the wiki in some form in the end, so that the general userbase knows what's going on. Let me know. — ciprianotalk 16:05, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
- For one, your Boomerang article wasn't a "mess", as Matt said it was. He tends to exaggerate (then again we all do, considering editors tend to make wiki problems much bigger than they actually are to a typical reader). And the Romani and Cremia page was a good idea, considering we had already done the same with another article, but then again, after reading the talk page for that one, it seems no one understood what you were actually trying to do... As for as the table thing goes, that would be cool, especially with the scores idea. We'd have to find a way to make it unique to Zelda Wiki, though, as I'm sure you know Wikipedia has their own variant of a critic scores listing. I'm for it, especially since it'll add a new template, new cross-page standard, and yada yada. I know what you're thinking... a step towards a "Manual of Style"? NO WAY! We'll see - the more I edit and visit the "nook and cranny" articles on here, the more inclined I am to think as you do, with that Manual of Style idea. That's a conversation for another time. Anyway, back on topic. As for the other part, the Zelda article listing including GameSpot, IGN, yada yada - if you're down to do it, that's fine with me, but that's going to be a continual project. Zelda articles are amongst the most written and popular articles on many Nintendo-leaning sites, so you many have to delve deep into archives and even once-popular dead sites, as well as keep up with the present releases to get them all. It all sounds fine to me, I'll see if I can harass Dany or Mandi in here to leave their ideas. — ciprianotalk 12:13, 28 February 2011 (EST)
Status of Staff Voting
The staff should be wrapping up the discussion on this article by the end of the week. — ciprianotalk 00:06, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
- Yikes! O_o Better to refine the final details before that moment!--User:K2L/sig 04:02, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
- The staff unanimously agreed to move towards publishing this WikiExclusive. They cited its eloquence, heavy detail, and comprehensiveness as strong points; the only negative was that it may be a bit too long for the average reader to handle. Even that however, is nitpicking, as the main focus of the discussion was on the positivity of the article as a whole. Congrats! Make sure to finalize grammar, punctuation, and sentence clarity and whatever other changes you deem appropriate, and let me know when you'd like it to be published. Even when it is published, you are welcome to go in a make any changes (if it is protected, as we've done in the past with WikiExclusives, you'll have to let an admin know first). How exciting! — ciprianotalk 17:33, 18 March 2011 (EDT) EDIT: To be clear, you have as much time as you need if you want to write up a Spirit Tracks section. The publication is all based around when you are ready, so take your time! Make sure to let the staff know when its written so we can take a look at it, as well, though I sincerely doubt one section would change anyone's mind. :) — ciprianotalk 17:36, 18 March 2011 (EDT)
- Thanks for making me know =). At this moment, I'll develop the ST section now that I'm near the end of the game (the Dark Realm portal is there already, I'm just working on the sidequests). I'll try to provide details on it without extending it too much, as I agree that the page became quite long (and it currently covers half of the total of games only!!). On an unrelated note, I'm ready to edit most of the ST-related articles, and some of the dungeon articles have been reorganized already. --User:K2L/sig 00:52, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
- The staff unanimously agreed to move towards publishing this WikiExclusive. They cited its eloquence, heavy detail, and comprehensiveness as strong points; the only negative was that it may be a bit too long for the average reader to handle. Even that however, is nitpicking, as the main focus of the discussion was on the positivity of the article as a whole. Congrats! Make sure to finalize grammar, punctuation, and sentence clarity and whatever other changes you deem appropriate, and let me know when you'd like it to be published. Even when it is published, you are welcome to go in a make any changes (if it is protected, as we've done in the past with WikiExclusives, you'll have to let an admin know first). How exciting! — ciprianotalk 17:33, 18 March 2011 (EDT) EDIT: To be clear, you have as much time as you need if you want to write up a Spirit Tracks section. The publication is all based around when you are ready, so take your time! Make sure to let the staff know when its written so we can take a look at it, as well, though I sincerely doubt one section would change anyone's mind. :) — ciprianotalk 17:36, 18 March 2011 (EDT)
Spirit Tracks
I didn't read much of it so far, but from what I read it looks great! But what aboout Spirit Tracks (like is there a reason you didn't add it or you just haven't gotten to it yet)? Anywho, nice work. :D User:Smashbrother101/sig 15:39, 6 March 2011 (EST)
- I have started playing the game since last sunday, and haven't finished it yet. I'm on the way to the Sand Temple and, so far, the game definitely has known how to take advantage of its unique devices. I'm not sure if I'm in time to write a section about it, sadly, so I'll focus on polishing the current sections and making the page's size more flexible for readability. --User:K2L/sig 16:08, 17 March 2011 (EDT)
- Never mind, I added the section already =). --User:K2L/sig 16:29, 19 March 2011 (EDT)