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| ==Theories== | | ==The forums you link to don't work== |
| I have two questions about the theories that have been removed. Are they going to be placed on a ZU dedicated topic? All of them or some of them? Thanks in advance! [[User:Zeldafan1982|Zeldafan1982]] ([[User talk:Zeldafan1982|talk]]) 04:31, 13 September 2016 (UTC) | | I clicked the links to the [https://zeldauniverse.net/forums/Board/16-General-Zelda/ forums] (because I REALLY want to share some useful tips of Breath of the Wild that a lot of people don't seem to realize) but there's no option to create a new thread. I am seeing threads there but the option to create new ones seems to have vanished since then. Is there something I'm missing?<br>Why did you have to shut down Zeldapedia? (You say "merged" but it wasn't a merge or anywhere close, just a shutdown of the superior Fandom site that has Discussion and forums and stuff that actually worked) At the very least couldn't you have started up some working forums or discussions up here? Why are you so determined that we cannot discuss Zelda games, or worse, ask for help with them? [[User:KillRoy231|KillRoy231]] ([[User talk:KillRoy231|talk]]) 22:52, 30 December 2020 (UTC) |
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| ==Various questions + Contacting the Staff/Getting Updated==
| | :Wait, they do work, you just have to make ANOTHER account. (That's what, three now?) [[User:KillRoy231|KillRoy231]] ([[User talk:KillRoy231|talk]]) 22:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC) |
| I was thinking that there should be (if plausible/reasonable, of course) more validation across the Wiki. For example, when uploading files, we could have a Placeholder attribute to example display the format required, or otherwise validation like [http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_input_pattern.asp the Pattern attribute] or js validation like [https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide/HTML/Forms/Data_form_validation#Validating_forms_without_a_built-in_API this] (or the rest of that webpage). The idea is inline/contextual help and/or prompts for when blocks of instructional text or the help guide (of which the relevant sections might be missed, or even missing certain details itself).
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| Some things I'm not sure if in the Help Guide include:
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| *Using capitalisation of the first letter of a template's name when using that template
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| *Not using underscores in links
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| *Using the Standard Initialism for (e.g.) "Cite manual" template
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| *That NA is preferred over EU version of a game when it differs
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| *Norms, e.g. [[User:Tony/Sandbox/ZW Norms]]
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| In terms of contacting the staff, what's the best method? I also realise ZUF exists, but doesn't seem frequently consistently used, or I still haven't figured out where all the action is.
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| Segueing, I also notice some "big" things were being discussed, but in the first place, I didn't know about it, though at that time I hadn't realised to use the Forum until recently. I was absent from ZW for a while, and noticed an update to the Wiki software or something, which included a title font change (I think...), Mobile site, and the "Online Users" on the Recent Changes page breaking (it shows <nowiki>{{#</nowiki>currentusers:}})
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| | ::Ok, so there's a lot to unpack here. First, for the Zelda Universe forums you'll have to contact someone on the head of the Zelda Universe team, as they will have most of the answers you're looking for. Here is the [https://discord.com/invite/zelda Zelda Universe Discord] if you need help over there.<br>Second, Zeldapedia merged with us because our site here was superior to the information there (we have more policies and standards that format the wiki) and a vote was taken across the community. The head of the merge, [[User:Ceiling Master|Ceiling Master]], was also the head bearucrat of Zeldapedia. [[Talk:Main Page#Reopen Zeldapedia on Fandom|Here's them responding to the same question]]. Again, we do not run Zelda Universe, that's a different community that we are close with. If you wish to join communities and discuss Zelda, you are free to join our [https://discord.gg/eJnnvYb Zelda Wiki Discord server]. Any wiki help you need can also be answered there. I implore you to do some research on the subject you are talking about before arguing with "superior Fandom site" and "stuff that actually worked" when it's quite the opposite. Like Ceiling Master said, there's no point to have two wikis on the same platform, and Zeldapedia may eventually be moved to a different URL under an archive. {{:User:MagicMason1000/sig}} 17:46, 1 January 2021 (UTC) |
| *A question about validation additions, and
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| *A question of how to best gather information useful for a ZW contributor.
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| --{{:User:KokoroSenshi/sig}} 08:52, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
| | ==Getting Notifications I don't want== |
| | I see a notification every 10 minutes from this site, and I'm tired of it. Is there any way I can stop getting these notifications? [[User talk:Dogleader|Dogleader]] ([[User talk:Dogleader|talk]]) 12:27 August 18, 2021 (UTC) |
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| :This isn't the first time you've come up with good ideas for custom features for the wiki. The best answer I can give you is that you should join the Zelda Wiki staff as a developer. You would have the support of the Zelda Wiki/Zelda Universe development team and it would put you in direct contact with all the wiki staff. (Not to mention we have quite the backlog of tasks and could use someone with your technical skills.) Short of that, the forums are indeed your best bet.
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| :About the upload form, I'd really like for us to have [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadWizard Extension:UploadWizard]. Custom code is the first thing to break when we upgrade (case in point, the "Online Users" thing). If there's a stable MediaWiki extension that could do the job, it's better to start with that. The only thing holding us back is that the extension doesn't currently support generation of custom templates, which we would need for [[Template:FileInfo]]. There is an [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T51443 open task] for this which I hope to get to in the near future. {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 02:24, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::Thanks for replying. Thinking about it, joining as a developer sounds like a good idea; though in terms of technical skills (well, knowledge at least) I usually make it up as I go along, Google, etc., but if that's ok, I'd still like to join, or at least give it a try. --{{:User:KokoroSenshi/sig}} 12:43, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :::We're all volunteers doing this for fun. A willingness to try things and learn is all we'd ask for in a developer. I'll send you an email with the details later this week. Is the email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]] up to date? {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 01:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ::::Awesome! Yes, I have checked that the email is up to date. --{{:User:KokoroSenshi/sig}} 12:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :::::Sent. {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 14:36, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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| ==Userpage Problem==
| | Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only way to access your watchlist is by going to the special pages first. I think it would be nice if there was an option elsewhere. One option would be at the bottom-left, along with the contributions, or at the top-right. A newbie may not know that the watchlist is on the special pages and also one click instead of two is better. [[User:Zeldafan1982|Zeldafan1982]] ([[User talk:Zeldafan1982|talk]]) 20:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC) |
| My userpage has external links, so it asks me to check if I'm not a robot. Okay, click save page after that, and it says I've edited my page too many times (once). Thinking nothing of it, I hit save page again anyway... to be brought back to the "I'm not a robot" thing. Save again, says I've edited my page too many times. Infinite loop. Can someone fix this?
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| [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 05:13, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
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| EDIT:Also, your <code>{{#currentusers:}}</code> code on the Recent Changes is broken. Been meaning to say something about that for a while now... [[User:Alex95|Alex95]] ([[User talk:Alex95|talk]]) 05:14, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
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| :Hey Alex, thank you for reporting this. We've since disabled the "too many edits" filter due to its bugginess. You should be able to edit your userpage now.
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| :We are aware of the currentusers problem and it's on the to-do list. It's just not very high on the list is all. :P {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 02:28, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
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| == New and unvalidated? ==
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| I tried adding a trivia info I came across few days ago, but it was removed. Why did it get removed? When I added the info, I did wonder where can I add my sources, but any other info didn't have sourcing. Just references to game quotes. {{Nosig|EBuddy|00:29, November 15, 2016}}
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| :You need a source to validate that trivia point, specifically the part where the Fishmen actually say that word. Without it, there's no way to prove that it's true and not just made up or pure speculation. Also, don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). {{:User:Chuck/sig}} 08:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
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| ==Judge the notability of this anecdote==
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| I saw a anecdote about an interview with Aonuma on Twitter today and thought I would at least notify it, even though I doubt it's notable enough. The source is [https://twitter.com/Willvs/status/822843220421967872 here], the tweet is in French and translates as “For the anecdote, I asked [Mr Aonuma] if The Witness could be considered as an “extreme Zelda”, but he didn't know the game :(”. [[User:Lunaramethyst|Lunaramethyst]] ([[User talk:Lunaramethyst|talk]]) 16:42, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :Indeed a completely unrelated game to the series is not notable enough. {{:User:Chuck/sig}} 17:47, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
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| == "GNU Free Documentation License" image link broken ==
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| At the bottom of every page is the "GNU Free Documentation License" icon (next to the "Powered by MediaWiki" icon), but shows no image.
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| The image url says the first below, but probably should be the latter:
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| --{{:User:KokoroSenshi/sig}} 00:52, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :Noted. Thanks! The fix is ready, we're just having some issues deploying right now. It should be up soon. {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 16:34, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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| == Use of § for sections ==
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| I have recently noticed <code>§</code> used at [[Help:Glossary#Edit conflict]] indicating a section in the following link: <code>[[Help:Editing Etiquette#Edit Conflicts|Help:Editing Etiquette§Edit Conflicts]]</code>. Looking it up on ZW with [https://zeldawiki.org/index.php?search=%C2%A7 a search], it seems rarely used, and am uncertain as to the policy regarding its usage (as opposed to e.g.<code>[[Help:Editing Etiquette#Edit Conflicts]]</code>), and also how many instances of the alternative (with the hash) are currently present on the wiki (or if those in the search are the only instances of links to sections in that manner). --{{:User:KokoroSenshi/sig}} 11:30, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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| :That was my doing, although I made one little [https://zeldawiki.org/index.php?title=Help%3AGlossary&type=revision&diff=504368&oldid=502327 formatting mistake]. We never collectively agreed to use the section sign and it's not widespread on this wiki; I just think it should be. It's used on Wikipedia and as far as I know it's the only correct way to refer to sections, from an editorial standpoint. The hash is a technical detail and it shouldn't be presented to readers in articles.
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| :This is perhaps a matter of discussion for the Zelda Wiki forums... {{:User:Hylian King/sig}} 16:57, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
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| == Deprecating wiki specific collapse JS ==
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| Hello together. I'm the tech guy from the Dota 2 Wiki and wanted to talk about the collapse function. I already pushed [https://zelda.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Template%3AComment&type=revision&diff=511415&oldid=509418 some changes] which were reverted for now, because they lacked a bit of communication and I rushed things.
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| : <code>@deprecated Since MediaWiki 1.20: Use class="mw-collapsible" instead which is supported in MediaWiki core.</code>
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| Would you be fine if I slowly phased out the deprecated functions? This would shrink down the JS by a good chunk and help to speed up the loading times. [[User:Molldust|Molldust]] ([[User talk:Molldust|talk]]) 18:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
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| :By all means! As long as you make sure there are no regressions, of course. If you want to use AutoWikiBrowser for that, let me know and I'll add you to the list of authorized bots. [[User:HylianKing|HylianKing]] ([[User talk:HylianKing|talk]]) 15:56, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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| ::I will not use my bot until I have a bit more overview how the things are structured here. In case you want the Expand/Collapse text to be <nowiki>[show ▼]/[hide ▲]</nowiki>, you have to edit [[MediaWiki:Collapsible-expand]] and [[MediaWiki:Collapsible-collapse]] respectively. [[User:Molldust|Molldust]] ([[User talk:Molldust|talk]]) 06:13, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
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| ::: Both the "collapse" and "NavFrame" sections can now be removed from the JS file: [[MediaWiki:Common.js]] -> [https://pastebin.com/EYptUAVu Pastebin with the removed sections]. [[User:Molldust|Molldust]] ([[User talk:Molldust|talk]]) 09:56, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
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| == ??? Page - Image Links Broken ==
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| There are several images on the character [[???]] page that are broken. My guess is that it's due to the fact that the image names contain question marks, but I don't know how to fix them. Please look into when someone gets a chance. Thanks. - [[User:Protokhal|Protokhal]] ([[User talk:Protokhal|talk]]) 19:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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| This is a known issue that we're trying to work through. Since the move to Gamepedia, we can no longer have question mark symbols or plus signs in file names. Please be patient while we sort out the best solution.[[User:Hylian pi|Hylian pi]] ([[User talk:Hylian pi|talk]]) 23:18, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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| ==Making Headlines More Readable==
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| Hi everyone! I'm fairly new to editing this wiki but have been an avid user and reader for a long while. Now that I'm also participating I noticed that many of the subheadlines (h3, h4) aren't that easy to read on a PC web browser. They don't really stand out that much from other text and there's no special spacing for them in the layout - it's especially notable when dealing with shorter sections of text. Have you ever considered tweaking them to make them a little more discernible? On mobile view, at least a line is added beneath the length of a subheadline, which is a nice effect and makes sections stand out more. -- [[User:Tadayou|Tadayou]] ([[User talk:Tadayou|talk]]) 13:58, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
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| :Hey Tadayou, thanks for the feedback! The header styles are something we never got around to improving, but there's no time like the present. :) The staff is on it. We'll try to figure out a decent design and get back to you. [[User:HylianKing|HylianKing]] ([[User talk:HylianKing|talk]]) 15:51, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
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| :: Thanks for the heads-up! Looking forward to your solution. -- [[User:Tadayou|Tadayou]] ([[User talk:Tadayou|talk]]) 10:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
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| :::Hey Tadayou, thanks for bringing this up. I was wondering if you could provide some notable/good examples of pages or sections you thought were hard to read? Thanks! --{{:User:KokoroSenshi/sig}} 08:56, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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| :::: Hey there, sure thing: I think [[Zelda Timeline]] is a notable example of a page that is very hard to read on a desktop browser. It's really hard to tell where sections begin, which are headlines and which are subheadlines. The [[The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild#Game Information||Game Information]] section of the BotW article page also shows signs of this. In the end all pages seem problematic that feature many sub headlines and short text sections. While this could probably be solved by making vast editorial changes to articles like that, I think it's probably easier to implement a change to heading styles. Whether it's adding spaces, underlines, making them different colors, etc... The [[amiibo (Rune)]] is probably one of the more readable examples, but I was also very consciously checking for readability when I edited the page. Maybe as an inspiration let me link to two example pages from STOWiki, which uses different heading styles rather well (for the most part): [http://sto.gamepedia.com/Star_Trek_Online_Canon ''Star Trek Online'' Canon] and [http://sto.gamepedia.com/Earth Earth]. -- [[User:Tadayou|Tadayou]] ([[User talk:Tadayou|talk]]) 18:10, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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| :::: Now that I compare the two wikis, another reason for less-than-optimal readability may be that ZeldaWiki uses the entire width of a page in desktop mode, thus making individual paragraphs also stand out less. Compare this to STOWiki were the design has a fixed width for articles. But I guess this may also boil down to very personal preferences. -- [[User:Tadayou|Tadayou]] ([[User talk:Tadayou|talk]]) 18:12, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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| ==Natie Page==
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| Can somebody please make a [[Natie]] page? I have some content to add, but the name is blacklisted. Thank you. - [[User:Protokhal|Protokhal]] ([[User talk:Protokhal|talk]]) 15:05, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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| Disregard, the blacklist has been removed. - [[User:Protokhal|Protokhal]] ([[User talk:Protokhal|talk]]) 15:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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| ==Setting/Timeline Placement/etc.==
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| I was curious whether an official policy exists for placing the section "Timeline Placement" in game articles? Currently, this information seems to be often (but not always) lumped together with "Game Information", where it exists alongside many and (mostly) unrelated topics, such as "Development", "Limited Editions", "Pre-Order Bonuses", "Speed Run Records" or "amiibo Support". Is it consensus to put this information there or was it placed because no other section was deemed appropriate? I was wondering whether a standardized ''''Setting'''' section might not be more in the interest of presenting information in a coherent, and tracable way? As a rough draft, thi section could give a brief overview over the game's respective version of Hyrule (or other settings, of course), may address references to other games, and present the timeline information. This might actually help to make the large game articles a little more accessible. Of course, a "Setting" section might require a bit of editorial fine-tuning, in order to make its content not too redundant. But it sounds like a fun and interesting project - if the idea finds favor with you. -- [[User:Tadayou|Tadayou]] ([[User talk:Tadayou|talk]]) 11:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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| == Plot of ''[[Oracle of Ages]]'' ==
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| Hi. I apologize for the trouble I caused recently. Indeed, it can be hard to understand why I keep exposing the plot flaws in ''Oracle of Ages'', although '''I really enjoy''' the game. Therefore I will <u>'''stop'''</u> from now on, lest I get banned. You are the administrators of this website, but I am a professor of physics and mathematics; let us respect each other from now on. Please <u>'''PROVE ME WRONG'''</u> if I am, instead of getting mad at me.
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| It is undeniable that the plot in ''Oracle of Ages'' is contradictory: sometimes Ambi's age and Zelda's age are considered as <u>separated by 400 years</u>, and sometimes facts are considered as if they happened at the very <u>same time</u> in two parallel dimensions, instead of two different centuries.
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| Already the game translation team tried to hide away the plot flaws with expressions like '''''"right now, in the past"''''', that obviously means '''''"right now, 400 years ago"''''' or '''''"in the present, 400 years before the present"''''' (and written these two ways the contradiction becomes apparent), but the official localization sounds as if "the past" was another location instead of anoter time.
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| Said this, I would like to ask why the policy of this website is to deny any plot flaw in the game. Is it because you think it would be unfair to expose the flaws in a game that is anyway very enjoyable? Or is it because you are unable to see the plot flaws? Or some other reason?
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| I asked this question already, but all I got were angry answers. Therefore, I ask it again, as politely as I can, hoping for a polite answer. --[[User:Abacos|Abacos]] ([[User talk:Abacos|talk]]) 20:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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| :Hello Abacos. Thank you for your passion for the Oracle Series and your willingness to contribute to Zelda Wiki. Personally, I really appreciate that. However, let me try to explain Zelda Wiki policy and how we try to maintain things around here. We archive the game's information as presented by the game itself. We are an encyclopedia, nothing more nothing less. We also tend to stay away from subjectivity as much as possible. The example that you gave for instance is an assumed conclusion. Is it a valid, logical conclusion? Yes, absolutely. But it is not the only one. This is where personal opinions and arguments determine the facts and not the game itself. For example, one could argue that the past and future may have syncing time-streams. As a work of fiction, there are countless explanations for something unexplained. Therefore, to simplify things, and keep everything as delivered from the game itself, we tend not to cover any speculation or theory. Unfortunately, the Zelda Series doesn't always follow the same rules as reality or may not even be completely logical. This is something that we have to accept and it is not our job to "correct" the series as we see fit. This is best suited for discussion boards or blog posts, not a wiki. If you'd be willing to write about the Oracle Series and its inconsistencies with real life physics on another website, feel free to. (I would love to read it!) Thank you and I hope you understand. -- [[User:Hylian pi|Hylian pi]] ([[User talk:Hylian pi|talk]]) 23:41, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
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| ::Thank you for the answer. Still, as you wanted, I did stay away from subjectivity as much as possible. I just wrote facts in a different order. How could things that happen today and yesterday be synchronized?<ref><small>From ancient Greek: "syn-" = "same", "chronos" = "time"; "syn-chron-ize" = "put at the same time". If anything, you have to admit that "synchronize" is the wrong word in this context.</small></ref> "Yesterday" happened strictly before "today". This is not my speculation, it is a fact, but I agree Zelda timeline breaks logic. <br> The Zelda continuity officially forks in three. See [https://strategywiki.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Oracle_of_Ages/Plot_flaws_%26_continuity_forks my chronological analysis] of ''Oracle of Ages'' on a website where I am administrator, and see how I conclude that the chronology of ''Oracle of Ages'' alone splits into several branches. I used <u>logic alone</u>, not physics: mixing real-science and fictional-magic is a wrong method indeed! [[User:Abacos|Abacos]] ([[User talk:Abacos|talk]]) 10:19, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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| :::Hi, weighing in with yet another opinion, about presumably the Maku Tree edits:
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| :::I don't believe it is a plot hole per se, though maybe it's a matter of perspective. With regard to the apparent contradictions you mention, the issue here is the semantics and terminology. '''''"right now, in the past"''''' makes sense because, from context, "right now" can be interpreted as a point in time in the past, where "the past" is essentially a name for a period of time before the events we treat as the present (not clearly defined, though probably no need to). Your '''''"right now, 400 years ago"''''' also makes sense since it is implicit that "400 years ago" is "400 years ago from the present", where "the present" is understood from context to be a particular point in time that isn't the point in time treated as "right now". Your '''''"in the present, 400 years before the present"''''' can also be understood for the same reasons, with "the present" meaning two different things in the same sentence (and which can lead to confusion, hence why they didn't say it like that).
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| :::With regard to the time travel aspect, the first thing I note is that the logic (or rather, rules) behind much fiction involving time travel can be very much different than ours - In a fictional world, the behaviour and characteristics of 'time' can differ greatly than in the real world. For example, in contrast to the real world, there can be made-up constraints that something that affects the Maku tree (perhaps not even necessarily affect people in general) at one point in time must affect the future version of the Maku tree at another point in time. I suppose we should be careful about generalising aspects of the fictional world - If we were to say something is a plot hole, then the creator could simply make up new rules for how the world works, and it would and should be taken as fact, since they are the creator - though with a true plot hole it might be impossible to salvage it. Things we say things are plot holes mainly relate to the suspension of disbelief; if we can identify the rules the creator sets, then they definitively contradict each other, then it's a plot hole - otherwise, I don't think we can firmly conclude as such.
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| :::Another thing I note is that the way you rewrote the section on Maku Tree made the text harder to follow.
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| :::In case I misunderstand, feel free to rephrase the plot holes or contradictions you were talking about, including some of what you talk about on the page you linked.
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| :::--{{:User:KokoroSenshi/sig}} 12:38, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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| :::Abacos, let me be as clear and concise as possible. The only thing that is a "fact" on this wiki is a quote from a piece of Zelda media. We archive that information. If you correct information based on how reality works, you are effectively making our information inaccurate to the series. And you are still editing the Maku Tree with information that is never presented in the game but came from your own speculation. Please stop and only use in-game sources as your references. -- [[User:Hylian pi|Hylian pi]] ([[User talk:Hylian pi|talk]]) 21:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
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| Kokoro Senshi, I agree with you on two points out of three. The one I disagree is where you say that "right now" does not mean "right now", and so on. That made me laugh, and reminded me that we are talking about fiction, not about saving or killing a thousand people. Thank you. I agree on everything else you wrote. After redefining my perspective, as you allowed me, I felt free to rephrase two lines in the Maku Tree page. Probably I am the one who misunderstood, because Hylian Pi seems unhappy about such edit.
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| Well then, Hylian Pi, I will quote a piece of Zelda media, the only fact you say you aknowledge. The Maku Tree said: '''"Four hundred years I waited"'''. Are you saying that writing "almost as soon as" in this wiki is the same as writing "400 years later"? Your English is very different from mine, then. I do not speculate, I am a contributor who sticks here strictly to the basic principles of logic (not physics, not mathematics, just logic) and to the real meaning of words in the English language. In [[index.php?title=Maku_Tree&type=revision&diff=550891&oldid=550746|my last edit]] to the Maku Tree page, which information is my speculation, according to your opinion?
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| Maybe the fact that I wrote "his present"? The game is seen from the point of view of Link, all this wikipedia follows <u>his</u> point of view. "The present" and "the past" are obviously from <u>Link's</u> point of view, therefore, according to English language, the present in ''Oracle of Ages'' is <u>Link's</u> present, it is "<u>his</u> present". The expression "his present" is never used in the game, but neither are the words "entity" or "bright and cheery", used instead in this website to describe the Maku Tree. What makes them less "speculative" than my use of the word "his"? But maybe you were thinking about something else.
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| Maybe I am wrong where I wrote "the Hero of Time". I just wanted to avoid writing "Link" too many times in few lines. Link is the Hero of Time, right? If I am wrong here, I definitely apologize! [[User:Abacos|Abacos]] ([[User talk:Abacos|talk]]) 02:12, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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