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It's called "Kakariko Shootout" because apparently the sign in the Hidden Village translates into "Old Kakariko", implying that it is the Kakariko of OoT. {{:User:MARKOL/sig}} 19:59, 20 August 2008 (EST)
It's called "Kakariko Shootout" because apparently the sign in the Hidden Village translates into "Old Kakariko", implying that it is the Kakariko of OoT. {{:User:MARKOL/sig}} 19:59, 20 August 2008 (EST)
:Interesting theories. ^^ But yeah, Hidden Village is the Kakariko Village featured in Ocarina of Time.
:The developers wouldn't have thought of a timeline placement in such detail for a game that's just a bit of non-canon fun. In fact, I think they mentioned that Link was simply training with a crossbow after saving Hyrule in TP, but I can't remember where I read that, so ignore it. Anyhow, I think it's clear that TP Link and LCT Link are one and the same.
:I think the reason why Stallord doesn't have a sword lodged in his head is because it wouldn't be relevant outside of TP's story. It's the same reason why in TP, the Triforce is never called the 'Triforce'; the actual artifact isn't relevant in TP, but simply an excuse for certain abilities (to explain Link's unique Twilight transformation, Zelda's transferal ability, and Ganondorf's failed execution), whereas in OoT and TWW, the actual object is integral to the story. So, while I think you've got some good points, and it is well thought-through, it seems a little too complicated to be true. Mostly wild conjecture, but like I say, intriguing wild conjecture. ^^ [[User:Rob 64|Rob 64]] 00:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

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Yo. If anyone's thinking about fixing up the level listing, don't worry. I'm working on tidying it up and adding a bit of new info, so hang tight. 75.145.51.237 15:52, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Um, I thought I was logged in when I put that in. Huh. Ando 15:53, 7 January 2008 (EST)

Stage vs. Level (and others!)

So... the game refers to the various levels as "stages", so I changed all the instances of "level" in the article to "stage". Also, shouldn't stage 9 be referred to as stage Final, considering that's what it's called in-game? I'll go with that in my stage-listing rewrite (which is almost done!). Ando 15:14, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Bonus Locations

I'm not entirely convinced that the locations for every orange rupee, scarecrow, etc. is within the realm of the Wiki. If anyone can convince me that it is, I'll reformat it into a neater table. If not, it should be gotten rid of. Thoughts? --Ando 14:08, 1 February 2008 (EST)

Agreed. I've moved the section in it's entirety to StrategyWiki, where it seems far more appropriate, and can be worked on and completed without bulking up this article. (Plus, I've added a link at SW back to our article, since theirs is basically empty :) --Adam (talk) 06:58, 3 February 2008 (EST)
Thanks for the info! I converted the info to a table so it's a bit easier to digest. Also "upgraded" the interwiki link to a full box (we are partner wikis ^_^). -- Prod 17:03, 10 February 2008 (EST)

Excellent. Nice work. ;) --Ando 17:11, 10 February 2008 (EST)

American -> European version differences

Zelda Wiki.org writes based off of the American versions (hence the solely American English spelling throughout the site), and there are discrepancies, apparently, between the American and European versions of Link's Crossbow Training. Well, at least one, anyway. If any more are found, they are to be listed here.

  1. Stage 5-3 is "The Shootout" in the American version (reference), but "Kakariko Shootout" in the European.

This list is to be used for reference if ever another European user makes a (good-faith; I'm not getting on to you or anything) region-based edit that doesn't flow with the American version. User:Ando/sig 15:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, but which version was released first? If the European version was released after the American one, the title for stage 5-3 would be a retcon. In which case, 'Kakariko Shootout' would be the canonical name. I once changed the title to 'Kakariko Shootout' without looking at the discussion page, or taking into account region differences, so sorry about that. Nevertheless, I think both titles should be mentioned in the article.
Perhaps:
Oocca Target Practice
In the City in the Sky, many Oocca will fly around carrying targets. As such, the targets will bob up and down as they fly, making the targets difficult to hit. If an Oocca is hit, it will drop its target, making the target worth many more points.
Gerudo Moldorm: Defender
Once again in the Gerudo Mesa, you must now defend yourself from many Moldorm that sink into the ground and then pop back up.
The Shootout (Ranger) (known as 'Kakariko Shootout' in the European version)
A re-creation of Twilight Princess's Hidden Village's Bulbin hunt. Rob 64 00:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Timeline Placement

First of all, I'd jsut like to state that I know the game has no plot whatsoever. I'm just throwing theories around based on observation and logic.

I'm putting forth the theory that this game does not take place during or after Twilight Princess, but before it. Long, long before it. There are a couple of reasons I think this.

  • Stalord is different. He does not have a sword embedded in his skull, nor does he appear to have had a sword there. He also has more horns, and is active on his own, as far as we know. Also, in the Arbiters grounds, I recall seeing pictures on the walls of a Link-ish looking person fighting the Stalord, suggesting a prior battle with a different Link.
  • The Kakariko Shootout takes place in the Hidden Village, only it is clearly called Kakariko Village, though so is TP's Kakariko, so this argument isn't as strong.
  • Places from TP are still intact that were not intact by the end of TP, such as the Great Bridge.
  • The Stronger Darknut in the Temple of Time. Things generally get weaker after they've been beaten before...

There's a couple other, minor things, but all more or less along the same reasoning.

So basically, to sum up, I believe this is a prior Link, a good deal of time before TP, possibly an Adult OoT Link cleaning up after Ganondorf's exile.

Again, just some speculative theorizing.

Nook 23:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's called "Kakariko Shootout" because apparently the sign in the Hidden Village translates into "Old Kakariko", implying that it is the Kakariko of OoT. User:MARKOL/sig 19:59, 20 August 2008 (EST)

Interesting theories. ^^ But yeah, Hidden Village is the Kakariko Village featured in Ocarina of Time.
The developers wouldn't have thought of a timeline placement in such detail for a game that's just a bit of non-canon fun. In fact, I think they mentioned that Link was simply training with a crossbow after saving Hyrule in TP, but I can't remember where I read that, so ignore it. Anyhow, I think it's clear that TP Link and LCT Link are one and the same.
I think the reason why Stallord doesn't have a sword lodged in his head is because it wouldn't be relevant outside of TP's story. It's the same reason why in TP, the Triforce is never called the 'Triforce'; the actual artifact isn't relevant in TP, but simply an excuse for certain abilities (to explain Link's unique Twilight transformation, Zelda's transferal ability, and Ganondorf's failed execution), whereas in OoT and TWW, the actual object is integral to the story. So, while I think you've got some good points, and it is well thought-through, it seems a little too complicated to be true. Mostly wild conjecture, but like I say, intriguing wild conjecture. ^^ Rob 64 00:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]